In A Bit Of Estate

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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby Bilco » Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:41 pm

As I mentioned, 'Ettie' wasn't finished and running tolerably well until midday on the Thursday before Pewsey, so there wasn't time to photograph it/her properly. Now things are back under control, herewith ...

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J D Wetherspoon and 'Legger' Lamb chat by the loco shed in a deserted but very sunny Stable Yard ...

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... and a view from the shed roof shows 'Legger' and his wheelbarrow of coal ready to pop a couple of shovels-full onto 'Ettie' - when the very interesting chat is over, of course ...

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... and a view of the other side, posed on the Cascades bridge ...

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... and a view from above. One day, JD, you must tell us how you turned 'Ettie' round without a turntable ...
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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby lesmond » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:24 pm

I can't think of suitable words to praise this enough, Bill - thank you for sharing.

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Postby MickT » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:25 am

Outstanding model and outstanding photos. Thanks for sharing Bill!

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Postby NotHarryPotter » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:36 am

Just beautiful Bill! :D :D :D
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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby Kerluk » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:17 pm

Bilco wrote:One day, JD, you must tell us how you turned 'Ettie' round without a turntable ...
It's the $1,000,000.00 question... :lol:
Wonderful work as always. Thanks for the pics.

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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby Bilco » Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:02 pm

Many thanks for all the very kind comments, folks - you spoil me.

A couple of nights ago I finally decided to investigate why 'Kaffie' had stopped running late on the Saturday afternoon at Pewsey. I dropped the mech out of the body - easy to do, as I had had the unexpected foresight to secure it with the couplings, which just have to be pulled out.

Then I applied power to the wheels - deathly silence. I removed the motor - just one screw on the underside - and applied power to the terminals - a nice busy whirring noise. Obviously a problem with the contacts to the motor inside the chassis - Hornby have put a strip of brass on each side that has contacts to the back of the wheels and to the motor when it's in place, rather than wiring it in. So, fiddle with the motor part of the strip, replace motor, apply power to the rear wheels - wheels spin round. Apply power to front wheels - deathly silence. Obviously one of the wheel parts of the contact strips isn't in contact. Remove motor, fiddle with contact, replace motor, apply power the rear wheel - deathly silence.

Over the next hour or so I went through the cycle of motor out, fiddle with contacts, replace motor, apply power many times. There were three different results:

1. Deathly silence.

2. Power to rear wheels, wheels spin, power to front wheels, deathly silence.

3. Power to rear wheels - buzzing sound from the mech but wheels stay still.

The contact strips became more and more distorted as I tried different bends and angles to get good contact to motor and both sets of wheels. Result 3 became more and more common, even with power to front wheels, so I finally allowed that there was something fundamentally wrong in the state of Denmark. I removed the motor once again and looked closely at the inside of the chassis, and noticed ...

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... the buzzing sound had been the worm gradually destroying the gear on the front axle - I had been wondering what the white powder on the inside of the chassis was - ground-up gear.

After a period of contemplation I think I know what was basically amiss. The chassis was second hand and in rather less then as-new condition, so I replaced the old-style motor with a new motor and mount, but the large side flanges that locate the motor and hold the wire retaining spring -

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- fouled the new motor, so I cut them off and glued the motor to the mount. Sadly, I didn't quite get it straight, so the worm was a little right of centre. At the same time, the front wheels are a little over gauge, and the contacts pushed them to the left, so the mesh was a bit dodgy, to say the least. It was good enough to run the loco at first, but my frenzied efforts to sort out the contacts had worsened the problem, and repeated applications of power produced the resulting ruined gear - the worm is unharmed ...

As Hornby don't allow their wheel sets to be dropped out for replacement the chassis is now effectively a non-runner. Fortunately, I have laid in several spares chassis, so I shall remove all the usable bits from the old one and use the remains as the pattern for a new one - taking great care to get the gears to mesh properly ...

Hours of fun ...
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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby lesmond » Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:54 pm

That's very annoying, Bill. At least you got to the bottom of it, and thankfully these wee chassis aren't too expensive to replace.

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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby PeterH » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:00 pm

It's surprising how difficult model railwaying can be. No wonder people give up and take to twitter. Congratulations on your finished and operating layout.
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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby Bilco » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:09 pm

I've been fiddling with my SJ mechs over the last few weeks, with a week off for good behaviour - a rail trip to Berlin and back, plus a week taking in the sights there.

My first priority was to sort out a replacement chassis for 'Kaffie', and that has now come to pass ...

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... the new chassis in front and the old one behind.

As I had bought some spare SJs in my eBay frenzy I thought I'd make up a spare ...

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... on the left with the other two. No motor at present, but I have a few spares of those ...

Then I put another spare SJ chassis over the 'Effie' drawing and found that the wheel base and wheel size was an exact match - well, 'Ettie' had developed rough running and sparks from somewhere inside, so I decided to replace the dodgy chassis and modify the SJ chassis to fit the bodywork I had made ...

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... and here it is with the others. I've shortened the chassis a bit, and made the front end slope to take a new set of cylinders. There will be a different motor in this - the Hornby Sprinter motor, which is rectangular and fits on a modified motor mount.

So far so good ...
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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby Bilco » Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:46 pm

I just realized that, in referring to my 'eBay buying frenzy' I hadn't shown what the result was ...

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... one brand-new, Chinese-made SJ chassis, one 'Roger', one 'Desmond', a new motor, and several sets of rods, to be messed around with as before ...

Underneath the different bodies beats the same, basic 0-4-0 Hornby chassis ...

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Hours of fun ...
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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby Bilco » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:20 pm

Right - the re-chassied 'Kaffie' is complete ...

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... and hopefully not looking vastly different from how it had been. The carefully fitted motor and well lubricated gears and pins result in a very smooth-running mechanism, so I'll try not to muck it up again.

Attention has now turned to 'Ettie'. Having modded the chassis and motor I made a new, slightly wider footplate, and reduced the bodywork back into its component parts ...

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Thanks to my preplanning/bodged construction it came apart without too much difficulty - I had to remove the back railing and the cab sides first so that I could slide the boiler back off the motor. Now it's a case of reassembling the body on the new footplate and fitting the rods and cylinders to the new chassis ...

Hours of fun ...
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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby Thorness » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:34 pm

All looking good.

I'm very impressed that you managed to dismantle Ettie without any apparent damage. I'm sure if I was doing that it would be in need of a re-paint at the very least.

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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby DuffieldBank » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:33 am

Bilco wrote:Right - the re-chassied 'Kaffie' is complete ...

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Hours of fun ...


Bill, I would happily commission you to build me one of these. I'll never come close to its level of beauty.

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Postby Bilco » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:47 pm

It's very kind of you to say so, DB - all I can see are the blemishes! As this was my first attempt at a Gn15 steam loco Idid put a bit of effort into it. I'm not sure I could make a similar job of it again ...
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Postby docnjoj » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:16 pm

That loco is simply gorgeous.
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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby Bilco » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:08 am

The rebuild of 'Ettie' is nearing completion, with the new chassis ready and running smoothly ...

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Because I wanted to re-use the boiler for 'Ettie', and it wouldn't fit over the original Hornby motor, I replaced the motor with one from the Hornby Class 142 Pacer railbus, glued on a modified motor block. Amazingly, it works ...

I had to move the cylinders out an additional 5mm to keep the clearance between the front crankpin and the crosshead - this was one of the problems with the original chassis, and the source of the strange 'click-click-click' as it ran around the layout ...

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A comparison of the old and new chassis. The footplate is 5mm higher on the new one - a consequence of the bigger wheels, and justifying the step under the cab. The old cylinders had been glued very securely to the footplate, so I had to make new ones, and they needed longer slide bars because the rear wheel is further back. I did manage to use the old crossheads, however ...
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Postby DuffieldBank » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:41 pm

docnjoj wrote:That loco is simply gorgeous.
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Agreed. Quite possibly the prettiest steamer ever built in this scale.

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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby lesmond » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:03 pm

Outstanding, Bill. Thank you for sharing :)

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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby Bilco » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:21 pm

Right, I declare the rebuilding of 'Ettie' complete as of today ...

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I took the opportunity to correct a few little items that got left in the rush to get 'Ettie' ready for Pewsey, such as the left side handrail, which wasn't quite straight, and the cab backsheet, which was a little undersized. I had to put some plasticard strip under the boiler, where the cut-out for the larger old motor left the new innards exposed, but otherwise all the bits were reused as they were. The dome is a big chunk of whitemetal over the rear wheels, so I glued a M3 nut in the smokebox to balance things up a bit. The result is a hefty little loco which could probably haul a much bigger load than the 3 coaches of 2 'tops' it's going to get on Berger Hall ...

The photos were taken in the uncertain light of ex-hurricane Orphelia and the dust it's brought up from the Sahara, hence the variations in the paintwork between the pics ...
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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby lesmond » Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:26 pm

Just beautiful Bill :)

Thanks for sharing.

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Postby Thorness » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:34 pm

Stunning!
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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby Grum » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:59 pm

You really do a great job with these locos. Simply fabulous.
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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby docnjoj » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:50 pm

Simply wonderful work.
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Re: In A Bit Of Estate

Postby Bilco » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:47 pm

Many thanks for your very kind comments, folks. The problem with posting larger-than-life photos is that all I can see are the infelicities - misplacements, misshapements, missed clean-up-ments ...

I had a flu jab on Saturday and, as is traditional, was immediately laid low by something remarkably akin to ... er ... flu? One could be forgiven for thinking the jab was designed to give you the infection, rather than prevent it ...
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Postby docnjoj » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:26 pm

U mean flu shots are not supposed to give you the flu?
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