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The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby Mark Goodwin » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:22 am

Hi fellow GN 15 modellers,

Having spent a great deal of time building Smallbrook "Emett" locomotives, designing a few of my own, building a diorama (Chipping Clinker Engine Shed) and other things to do with trains, I thought it was time I started to building somewhere to run them.

The design is a simple oval, with a passing loop and some sidings. The sidings may house some local industries such as the "Buffers End Polish Company" and the "General Custard Refining Company Ltd". Here's the track plan. I have followed practice over this side of the pond to use extruded polystyrene insulation as the base and to use "Woodland Scenics" HO scale foam underlay. The frame consists of three "Brilliant Baseboard" modules with a standard 8' X 4' plywood sheet 1/2" thick. It was sad that the creator and owner of "Brilliant Baseboards" passed away not long after I bought them. The legs I made myself
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Here's what the stock and buildings look like on the 8' x 4' board.
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Before I begin to lay the track, I had to work out what automatic coupling system to use. This was quite hard as the Smallbrook Oysterbeach coaches have a high roof overhang and the buffers are quite long. The solution turned out to be simple. I used "Dapol" OO scale NEM coupler pockets and Kadee HO scale #20 NEM extra long couplers. The curves on the layout are 21" radius and the distance between the coaches with the couplers has sufficient distance to prevent roof and buffer lock.

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Track laying will begin soon followed by framing for the scenery - the passing loop without the sidings will be concealed and used as a fiddle yard.
I think I started in this scale back in 2006 when I purchased my first Smallbrook Nellie from Mike Rayner, so 11 years later the layout has begun.....Huzza !!!
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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby docnjoj » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:32 am

Very pretty engine and the car. Keep it up!
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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby Mark Goodwin » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:59 pm

Hi Team,

I didn't spot the deliberate mistake in the title. Much Knattering should read "Gnattering" in honour of Steve Bennet's GN15 (Pepper 7) "Gnat" locomotive. This was the first GN15 locomotive I purchased and I have a collection of Steve's other kits.

I then purchased a "Nellie" GN15 kit from Mike Rayner of Smallbrook and became addicted to the world of whimsical "Emettesque" and "Heath Robinson" railways.

But it all started with a "Gnat" - hence "Gnattering".

Happy modelling and to quote Juergen - have fun !! :D
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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby southpier » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:09 pm

so following.. should it gnot be Gnellie?

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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby Mark Goodwin » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:58 pm

Gnaturally following on it should be Gnellie

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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby Nige » Wed May 10, 2017 4:14 pm

Mark

It's been a while - nice to see that you're still inspiring us!

One thing to bear in mind with the layout is to make sure you have some form of fence/wall around the edge in case the trains derail - I learned this one the hard way with poor Firestone having to undergo surgery to reattach his arm.

Like the others, I'm looking forward to seeing your progress with this.

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Postby PeterH » Thu May 11, 2017 9:26 am

Looking good. It's big for these pages.
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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby Mark Goodwin » Sat May 13, 2017 7:32 pm

Hi fellow GN 15 modellers,

The layout progress plan is as follows:

Stage 1: Track laying, followed by wiring. Nothing moves forward until locomotives run and kadee coupling system functions.
Currently I'm unsure whether to fit point motors at an early stage or leave them till later. I like the PECO "Smartswitch" system. I intend to use live frogs on the turnouts - I'm keeping things simple at this time and don't plan to go digital just yet.

Stage 2: Scenery framing, and by this I mean scenery/fiddle yard concealment, board edge trim and above board lighting frame.

Stage 3: Scenery detailing - installation of ground/hills, followed by buildings/roads etc.

This is my first running layout since the very early days of my youth. The most precious commodity is time.

I'll place photos and updates on the forum as I move forward. I still get distracted with building Emett style locomotives, which is a pastime I really enjoy. I must balance this creative impulse with the more pressing requirement to see them run.
Ho hum, have fun,
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Postby Grum » Sun May 14, 2017 9:30 pm

This looks as though it's going to be a brilliant layout Mark and I am looking forward to seeing it develop.
Nigel's comment about protecting the ends is well worth bearing in mind. I am going to trying all sorts of things to defend my trains on the end curves on my similar sized layout (well 7' 6" x 3' 3") "Longstone", which I will also take to exhibitions and will be vulnerable to "little hands" too. I may possibly have to use low perspex screens.
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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby John New » Mon May 15, 2017 12:21 pm

Layout protection

On my classic train set layout ( http://www.island-publishing.co.uk/dublo2.htm ) the Perspex screens I added at the front worked well to stop derails hitting the floor, small hands and my own flapping jacket! Another tip passed on, although the idea isn't mine as I got it IIRC from seeing it on one of Gordon Gravett's layouts, is flexible barriers (sproingers?). Use one of the cone springy door stops to hold a protruding dowel to hang a rope distanced off but along the layout front. The barrier is safe and flexible, the cone/dowell unscrews for transport. Quick and simple to mount when you find the venue has not organised barrier runs in front of layouts. I used home made free-standing uprights for my end stoppers using scrap pallet bases and a shortened broom handle to allow limited operator access to the front for reloading mailbags in the TPO. Varnished it did the trick at low cost.
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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby Mark Goodwin » Tue May 16, 2017 3:40 am

Hi team,

Thanks Graham and John for the advice. Off to Vancouver tomorrow for some layout wire and to see the availability and cost of the Peco "smartswitch" system.
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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby Mark Goodwin » Tue May 16, 2017 3:48 am

Hi team,

Another photo for scale purposes, i.e. what will a 1/24th scale GN15 train look like on a 4 X 8 baseboard. Note the Kadee coupling installed with a Dapol NEM mounting bracket between the guards van and passenger coach. A simple solution that avoids roof and buffer lock with the high coaches.
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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby southpier » Wed May 17, 2017 9:34 am

this is beautiful modeling!

much more imagination than I possess

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Postby Grum » Wed May 24, 2017 4:47 pm

(Always late to reply...) Yes, I used those springy door stop & rope "barriers" all around my Whitsend Tramway layout for several years. They do work. Sometimes kids grab them, but as soon as they realise they have nothing to pull on, they just hold them innocently, no damage is done, and they keep them back from the front of the layout to watch it as it should be. Simple, and low-cost.

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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby Mark Goodwin » Fri May 26, 2017 1:12 am

Hi fellow GN15 modellers,

After some time away from the project, track laying has begun in earnest. I chose PECO O 16.5 7mm scale narrow gauge track because of its reliability and visual appearance when used with my Emett models (largely from Mike Rayner's Smallbrook Studios).

Having used foam insulation and foam track bed, my first nightmare was how to hold 21" radius curves with track pins that may not have too much of a grip in foam products. The solution was simple. I used "Woodland Scenics" foam adhesive and foam nails (large pins with a "T" shaped head) to hold the curve in place, installing them using a "Tracksetta" template. The pins were remove after the adhesive had set (24 hours). The adhesive dries clear and the appearance will be improved with ballasting.

The first photograph shows the system in place with a section of straight track, and the white adhesive can be seen. The track on the right has been cut and is ready for installation at a later date. The second photograph shows the curved section after the adhesive had dried.
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After track laying, wiring will follow, and after testing, the installation of scenic breaks followed by full scenery.
Well that's all for now, have fun and stay happy, :lol:
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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby Mark Goodwin » Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:57 pm

Hi fellow modellers,

After some absence from the forum, I've had a run of modelling in completing a GN15 layout. The title above is a typo - it should read "Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway".

The original layout was 8' X 4' was too large. So I had a rethink and decided on a lightweight 4' X 4' - that allows some shunting and a continuous run. I attach some images of the work so far.
The first photograph shows the viewing side and the scenery completed thus far. The main contours use lightweight extruded polystyrene insulation, covered with some expanded foam (from a spray can). It has just been covered over in a plaster/fibre mix called "scultamold".

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The next photo shows the already constructed buildings (shown in this forum some years ago).
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The final photo in this series shows a close up of the station. The curved platform is a recent build. I have a nice set of "O" scale plastic fencing that will look good on the station obtained on ebay. This was a nice find and the scale makes a proportionate height for station fencing The paving slabs on the platform are simply hand painted and the brick work is a 1/24th scale printed brick (flemish bond). This will provide a quick and easy method to cover the retaining wall at the rear of the station. On the left of the station will be a small factory "The Buffers End Polish Company". The station will be named "Lower Twitching" as I have a station running in board from "Smallbrook Studios" already completed. I may have to do a second one due to the length of the platform

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The track is Peco O 16.5. The next stage will be to prime the scenery, fit the station and then complete the ballasting of the visible sections.
This modelling drive has been inspired by the great modelling seen in this forum - outstanding skills and talent from others. Long may this continue.
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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby chris stockdale » Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:17 pm

Mark,

Hoping I’ve done the right thing I’ve changed all the thread and post titles to ‘Gnattering’. Ongoing any replies will automatically pull the correct title on through with them, as evidenced with this post.

Keep up the good work!

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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby Mark Goodwin » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:17 am

Hi Stockers

Thanks for doing this, I couldn't work out how to do it ! :D

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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby Chris Bergerac » Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:01 am

A wonderful layout in sight. May I ask you where you found these funny houses ? Thanks.
As everybody knows, I'm not going for realism... :lol:

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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby Mark Goodwin » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:08 am

Hi Chris,

The station building and signal box were scratch built by myself. Some commercially available window frames and doors were used.
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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby Mark Goodwin » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:38 pm

Dear fellow GN 15 Modellers

There has been some progress in updating the scenery.

The retaining walls have been covered with brick paper as this was the easiest and quickest method. Some of your who are familiar with the signal box will note that I have removed the handrails and staircase. I thought it necessary to make them a little bit more accurate. The next stage will be to finish the retaining walls, ballast and painting the track followed by the installation of some station fencing. I'll also have to add a bit more green scenery rather than just the painted plaster. On one side of the road, I'll be using air drying clay to make a dry stone wall. Once this has been done, the grass, trees and shrubs can be added. I also have to make a road bridge between the cutting between the station and signal box.

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This photograph shows the layout retaining walls and just a hint of a train....

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Well, that's all for now, happy modelling and have fun.

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Re: The Much Gnattering & Far Twaddle Light Railway

Postby DCRFAN 3 » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:02 am

Very gnice


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