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Postby Sir Briand » Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:57 am

I like the idea of that Y. Neat. Can't wait to see it built :twisted: .
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Postby AndyA » Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:02 am

Yep, Ian, that looks good - the wye is much more convincing - you can probably play more tricks with kitchen deliveries/collections as well.

I guess that shows tha value of making sight-line mockups as well.

I'm looking forward to seeing you work on this one.

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Postby ian holmes » Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:36 pm

Thanks;
One more thing I'm mulling over is to switch the locations of the kitchen and the furnace room. That decision is being driven by watching the wagon tip coal in front of the furnace. Will it be more interesting to watch from the sides or the ends?

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Postby michael » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:29 pm

I think that seeing the tipping from the end would be visually more interesting. I like the new version of the plan.

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Postby DCRfan » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:12 pm

Ian,

For inspiration for passenger trains have a look at the two new photos posted on the Yahoo Industrial Railway Society site.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IndustrialRailwaySociety/

No its not the actual hospital rather but two postcards, old old, one new, of passengers on sit astride coaches visiting a salt mine possibly in Austria but it just has that feel.

If you can't get into the site I have copied the pictures and can send to you by PM.

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Postby SpeedLimit20 » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:46 pm

Hiya Ian :

Lots of thoughts and ideas going on in this thread.
I like the trackplan too ... seems to be plenty of opportunity for switching and interesting operations.

One thing though ... I can understand that the viewers will look down the corridor viewports from the front of the layout, but I don't see where you would need to stand to operate the trains. If the rooms of the hospital have ceilings, how are you intending to view the trains yourself to see what's going on?
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Postby ian holmes » Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:40 pm

SpeedLimit20 wrote:One thing though ... I can understand that the viewers will look down the corridor viewports from the front of the layout, but I don't see where you would need to stand to operate the trains. If the rooms of the hospital have ceilings, how are you intending to view the trains yourself to see what's going on?


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Erm.. Ah... :oops: Well I hadn't thought of that... :lol:

No seriously though. I'm becoming converted to the idea of operating from the front. So that I will be able to talk to the punters should the layout get invited to a show.
A railway running inside a lunatic asylum? That's going to take some explaining :D

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:51 pm

ian holmes wrote:No seriously though. I'm becoming converted to the idea of operating from the front. So that I will be able to talk to the punters should the layout get invited to a show.
A railway running inside a lunatic asylum? That's going to take some explaining :D

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Postby michael » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:40 pm

Rick, Thanks:
Erm.. Ah... Well I hadn't thought of that...

No seriously though. I'm becoming converted to the idea of operating from the front. So that I will be able to talk to the punters should the layout get invited to a show.
A railway running inside a lunatic asylum? That's going to take some explaining


I suppose you will need to run round the back once in a while to deal with the fiddle yard though. Those could be your moments of taking the medication :lol:

perhaps some clear windows in the ceilings at strategic locations would assist for operational purposes.

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Postby DCRfan » Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:53 pm

The pill train runs every hour stopping at all stops consisting of loco, pharmacy wagon, passenger coach for nurses and water wagon :twisted:

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Postby ian holmes » Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:16 pm

michael wrote:I suppose you will need to run round the back once in a while to deal with the fiddle yard though. Those could be your moments of taking the medication :lol:


I'm now thinking of resiting the fiddle yard to the side instead of the rear so that I wouldn't have to disappear round the back to sort the trains out. Would make more sense.

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Postby ian holmes » Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:43 pm

Now to have a bit of fun during all this designing and re-designing. I've been trying to come up with a name for the layout. Please excuse the poor french...
Firstly I thought of "L'hopital de St Stephan de Chien Noir". Bit of a mouthful and Steve would probably be too embarassed.
Then I started to think about the many french films I've seen in my time as a cinema enthusiast.
"Les Enfants du paradis" is the greatest french film ever made. L'hopital de les Enfants du paradis? no... not the greatest name for a model railway layout...
I also enjoyed "Jean de Florette" starring Gerard Depardieu. L'hopital Jean De florette has a ring to it.
Then I recalled Enmanuelle Beart cavorting naked throught the hills of provence in "Manon des Sources" L'hopital de Manon des Sources? Not as good as L'hopital Jean De Florette.
However my favourite film maker is Luc Besson. Big Blue, Leon, Nikita. Fifth Element etc wonderfully directed films. One line sticks out in the Movie Nikita. When one of Nikitas assasinations goes wrong she has to call on the services of a "cleaner" (played my Jean Reno) to "clean" things up :twisted: When they meet he gets into the car and says
"Je suis Victor. Nettoyer" (I am Victor. Cleaner)
Now if memory serves me correctly the cleaning is rather messy to say the least.
"L'hopital du Victor-Nettoyer" now thats short and concise and it makes me smile too.
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Postby KEG » Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:10 pm

Hi Ian,

I kinda like your French title attempts. Gotta "Parc de Baguatelle" in a remote corner of my garden, where I park all kind of "Arte" My girlfriend calls it "Junk"

A film which impressed me in the early seventies was "Les Enfant du Marx et Coca Cola" by Jean Luc Godard. So the "Hopital pour les Enfants du Marx et Coca Cola" sounds familiar in a way.

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Postby Steve Bennett » Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:12 pm

You are correct, I would be embarrased, it's too long anyway :) . You really need something that can be shortened easily, otherwise it will just get referred to as that hospital layout, or something similar.

Have to say thanks, after watching Monty Pythons Life of Brian, I have been humming "Look on the Bright Side" all day, now I have a vision of Emmanuelle Beart in my head, much more appealing than John Cleese or Eric Idle :)
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Postby shortliner » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:34 pm

....and I've got an image of that young lady from Fifth Element floating round in mine!

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:46 pm

Ian if you use Babelfish you can achieve the correct accents automatically:
L'hôpital :wink:
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Postby Racing Hippo » Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:05 pm

ian holmes wrote:When one of Nikitas assasinations goes wrong she has to call on the services of a "cleaner" (played my Jean Reno) ... Now if memory serves me correctly the cleaning is rather messy to say the least.

I believe it involved a bath and a lot of acid, if I recall correctly.
Damn good film. Damn good director. Did you ever see the US "remake"? If you didn't, don't - it'll make you either cry or throw things at the screen.

Meanwhile, back on topic...
It's not a Luc Besson, but it is Jean Reno - Les Visiteurs is my favourite French film of the lot (yes, I know it's very silly. So am I :roll:). So... "L'hôpital des Visiteurs"?
Mind you, you'd need some medieval knights stomping around the place to make it fit the title...

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Postby ian holmes » Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:13 pm

Racing Hippo wrote:I believe it involved a bath and a lot of acid, if I recall correctly.
Damn good film. Damn good director. Did you ever see the US "remake"? If you didn't, don't - it'll make you either cry or throw things at the screen.

Meanwhile, back on topic...
It's not a Luc Besson, but it is Jean Reno - Les Visiteurs is my favourite French film of the lot (yes, I know it's very silly. So am I :roll:). So... "L'hôpital des Visiteurs"?
Mind you, you'd need some medieval knights stomping around the place to make it fit the title...


So my memory didn't fail me. Wasn't the "body", to borrow a line from Monty Python and the Holy Grail... "I'm not dead yet"
Its a rule of thumb of mine to never touch American remakes.
Never did see Les Visiteurs though. Didn't Hollywood try to destroy that too?
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Postby ian holmes » Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:23 am

Ok. Off the French films and back on to the proper subject. The layout.
No real changes. I've just placed the fiddle yard at the side of the layout instead of the rear. That way I don't have to keep disappearing to change the trains out.
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Postby michael » Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:04 am

Ian, will it be a problem for the viewing public to see the fiddle yard? would it detract from or add to the veiwer experience? I don't have any answers they are just a questions.

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Postby DCRfan » Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:54 am

Why not remove the wall at the kitchen corridor end? Seeing the train going across the end will further add to the sense of depth. A dummy track could turn the corner.

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Postby AndyA » Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:24 am

Michael asked

will it be a problem for the viewing public to see the fiddle yard?


I suspect that it depends on your target audience. When I'm watching layouts like Sutton Wharf and Eastleigh, I find I'm spending as much time looking at the fiddle yards and traversers as the actual 'on-stage' operation of the layout. But Sue isn't really that interested in the mechanics there.

The way my study is configured, and the space available if we ever get something to display permanently in the living room, mean that front operation is a must, and in fact I'm still trying to find a believable way of 'hiding' the offstage track for Breakwater Point whilst still allowing trains to be swapped from the front.

Pushing Carl's 'stage' metaphor to its limit, I guess that I'm more than happy to embrace Japanese conventions of having most of the mechanics in full view and just ignoring them unless you find them interesting, whereas Sue is a little disappointed if she can see the strings on the props in Blythe Spirit, even though everyone knows they must be there.

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Postby ian holmes » Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:27 pm

michael wrote:Ian, will it be a problem for the viewing public to see the fiddle yard? would it detract from or add to the veiwer experience? I don't have any answers they are just a questions.

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This is a toughie. I'd rather not have the fiddle yard on view. But I do like to talk to the punters and explain what everything is about. But if I'm round the front I can't be around the back stopping grotty, spolied brat American kids poking around and picking up my scratchbuilt locomotives. :evil: So if I want to be out front then the fiddle yard will have to be out front. I don't like it at all. But I'll give it a try.

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Postby ian holmes » Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:30 pm

DCRfan wrote:Why not remove the wall at the kitchen corridor end? Seeing the train going across the end will further add to the sense of depth. A dummy track could turn the corner.

Paul


If I understand you correctly Paul then I'd loose the continuous run. Wouldn't I?
The thought might open up some more opportunities though I feel version 10 coming on... :shock: :roll:

I could put in a reversing loop instead...

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:01 pm

One reason I prefer a continuous run is that it allows me to just let a train run round while I talk to the visitors :lol:
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