Chris' 2007 Submarine Pirate layout...Challenge.

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Postby Nick Ellingworth » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:01 pm

I've read this thread several times now but only just got round to replying. :oops:

Great work Chris I love the diving suit and the whimsical theme of the layout.

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Postby KEG » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:21 pm

Hi,

I must admit, I hang around this amazing thread quite often as well. Can´t
make up my mind, which idea to steel first. Have to give up, there are too many.

Of course the hamster got its own diving suit. What a strange question:

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Might still need a few rivets and some brass colour to be allowed in Chris´
steampunk Hideout. Some people might say, it looks like some toy computer over his head.

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Postby Steve Bennett » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:27 pm

KEG wrote:Might still need a few rivets and some brass colour to be allowed in Chris´
steampunk Hideout. Some people might say, it looks like some toy computer over his head.


Might need some windows aswell :) (no dont tell me that comes with the computer :wink: ).
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Postby Colin Peake » Tue Sep 11, 2007 6:18 pm

Very imaginative modelling Chris, and beautifully observed painting.

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Postby Rockley Bottom » Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:06 pm

Sorry I asked :) :)
The hampster would insist on travelling, and diving first class :!: :!:

I love it all :lol: :lol:

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Postby Shozo.K » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:41 pm

Your imagination is wonderful!
The taste of the diving suit design seems to be out from classical SF.
I'm looking forward to see how you create the design for rolling stocks.

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Postby cjwalas » Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:39 pm

Shozo.K wrote:I'm looking forward to see how you create the design for rolling stocks.,

So am I!!!! :roll: Still haven't come up with a concept for the train itself!
But I have finished my figure tests and finalized my approach;
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Above are the two techniques I was pursuing. On the left is the paper mache' approach and on the right is the tissue paper build-up technique.
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The tissue paper technique has problems. I applied glue and tissue to form details as best I could. I should have added some paint to the glue, because the transparent quality of the glue made it very difficult to tell what the final surface really looked like. It's also quite tedious. Still, if no other way were available, with some practice this technique could be made to work.
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I went back to the paper mache' figure to solve the weakness problem I was having. I mixed a new batch of the stuff with wood glue. While it was horribly sticky to work with, it dried to a very strong and hard consistency. I found I could dry it fairly quickly in my little oven I use for my plastic figures.
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The difficulty with the tissue work was achieving a smooth surface...I couldn't! So he came out quite rough...not in a good piratey way, just rough. But I'm still going to use him somewhere.
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The mache' man came out much better. Still not as good as using other materials, but good enough, IMHO. He's smoking his clay pipe and supervising something! This glue/mache' mix sands very well and can be cut with a sharp blade as well.
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I decided he needed plenty of tattooes to make him more interesting, but I didn't do a very good job on them...they're very small!
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At least I got the most important tattoo on! :D
Now that I've settled on the approach for the figures, I can be working on them while working on all the other stuff as well. testing phase for this project is finished! No more fooling around!
Steve, I know I should be doing the trackwork, but as I have it laid out, I think I need almost everything else to be done first! The track will be supported, not on the ground as such and so I'm hoping it won't be too difficult to lay it in after everything else is in place and glued down. Fingers crossed!
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Postby Simon Andrews » Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:46 pm

WOW :!: 8)
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Postby Emrys » Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:47 pm

I am very impressed. Particularly like the bearded chap.
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Postby Nick Ellingworth » Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:48 pm

Both figures are very good.

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Postby Jon Randall » Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:25 pm

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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:31 pm

Difficult to believe that they are made of paper :D Fantastic modelling, an example to us all :D :D
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Postby MOG » Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:39 pm

:( lays down tools, folds arms and sighs... top top stuff again Chris.
I actually quite like the 'rough' figure.. it's a style.
It reminds me of a book I had some years ago about making papier mache models.. puppets and things.. must find that again.
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Postby Jim Snee » Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:57 pm

Hi Chris

As ever your figures are inspiring. I really like the armoured divingsuit - you absolutely nailed THE LOOK!

I think someone has already asked about rolling stock - I can't wait to see what you come up with. Just thinking about possible locomotives - you could go in so many different ways...

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Postby chris stockdale » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:10 pm

Soooo good!



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Postby cjwalas » Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:28 pm

Thanks all. Kind words are always much appreciated! :) I don't think my modelmaking is particularly good as much as I try to do different kinds of things. I couldn't possibly pull off some of the meticulous work most of you do here. Thanks for putting up with my hobby eccentricities!
As far as the rolling stock on this one goes, there really are way too many possibilities. I had originally envisioned something rather simple for the loco and cars; just something to unload pirate booty. But as I've gotten immersed in the fantasy of it, I see that I need to come up with something a bit more...imaginative? I wish I had given myself more clearance room. I usually don't have the restriction of making things that have to squeeze into spaces this small! One more aspect of the challenge!
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Postby Glen A » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:34 am

They really are incredible figures Chris. Just looking at them you wouldn't think they where made out of paper! And the details are all so clear on the screen, you can easily forget that they being shown a couple of times bigger than they are in real life.

…until some one like me has a go at building one. 10 seconds later the reality of the skill and complexity required becomes apparent, and then project gets abandoned for something more manageable….

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Postby Peter » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:47 am

Thats some amazing work, the fact that it was done in paper makes it even more so. :shock:
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Postby michael » Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:04 am

lays down tools, folds arms and sighs... top top stuff again Chris.


Ditto..... Way 8) 8)
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Postby cjwalas » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:59 am

Well, I was down with some bug this weekend and feeling rather poorly, so not too much got done, but at least I took plenty of bad photos! :?
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I'm preparing some scaled down paper model fish to put...somewhere? The tuna is about 2&1/4".
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Rolling stock. Not sure what I'm going to do with them, but I figured I better get started. These are just trucks and bolsters sawn off some old stock. I'm just building them as flats unless I get more inpsired.
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For the loco, I'm thinking maybe a tiny cab forward, vertical boiler of some sort.
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Got a little more paint on a few things and it's really helping to get me to the "ambience" I'm striving for.
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Here's a washed out flash version for comparison.
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I've painted the mysterious steampunk devices on the roof and while I like the way they came out, if I have time I'd like to busy them up a bit more.
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Even adding basic green paint to a few plants helps a lot!
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A more blurry but better angle on the infernal machinery.
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After careful consideration about how to do the water, I decided just to try a paint treatment on it. It's not fantastic, but it may be what I live with. I'll hold off giving it it's final gloss coats just in case I change my mind!
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I've begun gluing some of the things down, but I'm holding off on the pirate shack. I'd really like to do one or two more, If there's time. So for now it's just propped in the corner.
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The diving suit looks good in the layout, but I think I need to build some kind of frame or crane for it to hang from?
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Hard to make out in this horrid photo, but There's a big, copper thingamajig in the building to carry through the infernal machinery concept.
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This shot's for Steve, just to prove I'm not ignoring the trackwork! This support frame isn't painted yet!
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Today is the first day I've felt like it's coming together the way I'd hoped (can't say planned!!:D ). I like the darker, piratey feel it's starting to get. But there's still a lot to do.
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I realized the only good place for the printie stuff is as cargo on the rolling stock. So I don't know how unique these cars will be?
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Here's my big bugaboo at the moment. I haven't really come up with an idea for the bridge over the sub and how I can support it from this corner.
Ideas are welcome!!!!!
That's it for this report. Wish I'd gotten more done this weekend. Oh, wait! I also started a couple more pirates and a couple of seagulls, so I got a little more done!
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Postby Jblair » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:26 am

Can't get over what you have been able to achive with just Cardboard and paper! :shock:

As for the track across the sub. What about some sort of lifting sections? Even if it doesn't lift but looks like some sort of dual draw bridge arrangement meeting in the middle.

Even some sort of full lift arrangement. Would certainly fit in with the atmosphere of the layout.

Such as this bridge which is a road bridge at Bourke NSW but could be used as a railway:-

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Postby cjwalas » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:31 am

I like your bridge idea, Jarrod! That could work very well for what I need. I'm not sure I have enough room to pull it off, but I'll sure give it a close look! Thanks for that idea.
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Postby Oztrainz » Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:57 am

Hi Chris, try this link for details of a smaller hand-operated lift bridge. It even ran 2' gauge... (close enough to 15")
http://zelmeroz.com/album/oz/qld/lz_mor ... pot_03.pdf
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Postby SOUTHPASS » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:17 am

What about a steam powered helicoptor holding it up with a sky-hook :? :D
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Postby Jblair » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:41 am

Love to see the steam powered helicopter lift :wink:

The bridge in Bourke is also hand cranked! With counter balances inside the 4 main uprights! But certainly keeping OzTrainz bridge in mind as that certainly has a lot of charm to it!

The other option due to the lack of space is a swing bridge. Dont have a picture on me for them. But could be done similar to a sector plate type thing.

For example have a look at the following:-

http://www.salecommunity.com/bridge.html

Note this one is counter balanced by swinging in the middle. But maybe some sort of counter balance arangement. Or use artistic licence :lol:
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