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Postby Pandy » Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:50 pm

Well done ! really impressive building and the piles turned out really well too ! Beats my idea for steel piles for a section of canal bank, I was planning on using (when I finally get something nailed down & built) to use the ribbed plastic used to seperate cells in traction batteries. I picked up some offcuts of the stuff from the skip at the Alan Keef open day, so considering where they came from they've got to be used for something railway related. Early morning at the open day usually sees the ceremony of the raiding of the skip by the model engineers which they dont seem to mind as long as the scavengers make a donation to the total for the day, usually split between the village church & school. of course all of the model engineers overlooked the bits of plastic I had my eyes on and rather helpfully cleared the stuff that had it half buried. I'd been thinking of using the seperators since we had some battery cells replaced at work and covering them with adhesive & real powdered rust. I shall now however go and sit in the corner & sulk as you've far outdone what I had planned :)
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Postby Bilco » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:03 am

Hi Dave - It depends a bit on what you want to achieve. I built up the piles on a flat sheet of plasticard, so the reverse is solid (with a few strips of half-round to add to the profile of the small slice that is visible). If the plastic seperators have the correct profile stick with them - if I'd had access to something like that I'd have used it! I thought of the plastic coverings that electricians put over wiring in houses, but that might be a bit too wide. I even considered building up the profile with lots and lots of strips of plasticard, but the thought of trying to keep it all lined up while I applied Plastic Weld put me off. :shock:

How would the seperators work as that metal sheeting used to clad modern industrial buildings?
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Postby Steve Bennett » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:42 am

Making some really good progress Bill. I like the additions to the building, it is really difficult to see that it is printed now, the 3D addittions give it a real lift, it is surprising how much of a difference it makes. Very nice.
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Postby Pandy » Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:05 pm

There are 2 slightly different sizes of the seperators, one with ribs 9.5mm at the narrowest and 14.5mm at the widest, 13.5mm deep and the other 11mm at the narrowest and 14.5mm at the widest, 17.5mm deep, both are in a fairly hard styrene type plastic although I have encountered some in a far more flexible polythere type material. I was intending to glue styrene strip down the mid-line of each rib side to give the impression of the rolled edege joints. They would be mostly below the waterline with baulk timber edging. As for cladding I'm afraid it'd need to be something like 1:6 scale before it looked right ( God forbid I start modelling in 1:6, Im in enough trouble as it is !)
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Postby michael » Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:10 am

Hi Bill I just read through the whole thread (trying to catch up, boy what a lot of modelwork has happened while I have been out of the loop) I really like the way this layout has developed, It says a lot about keeping things simple. I am just thinking about the way Andy is making a layout in secret :shock: and was thinking about perhaps following your lead with a really simple small U type layout just to keep my fingers from getting lazy :roll: :wink:

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Postby MOG » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:31 am

Like Michael, I'm catching up.. fascinating thread - really interesting to see such effective use of the textured flats. I had one short lived experiment with florists foam - crumbled to a fine dust that seem to cling to everything.. didn't get on with it - you've definitely made me look again.
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Postby dieselwater » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:51 am

Those flats look great. I like all the 3D detail you've added, it really makes them pop.
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Postby Bilco » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:26 pm

Well, I've made some progress in the last couple of weeks. I've put the bits and pieces I've been fiddling around with into the layout, and it's beginning to look a little like what I envisaged back in August.

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Looking across the tipping dock to the right corner, with the steel piles in place.

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A shot of the right hand side of the layout, showing the brick factory building in situ.


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A close-up of Didi with Wot the Deutz and a tipper on the tipping dock. The supports and girders are in primer with some crusty rust spots prepared.

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Virtually the whole layout, showing most of those bits I've spent so much time on.

I really must get some track laid - the bits the loco and wagon are standing on are purely for illustration purposes! :roll:
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Postby John Oxlade » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:59 pm

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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:14 pm

Yes :D looking forward to seeing it with track laid.
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Postby dr5euss » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:30 pm

That's looking great Bill! I really like all the ground relief, and the bridge is a really interesting design 8)

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Postby dieselwater » Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:29 am

Great work Bill! I love the bridge. It makes for a really interesting composition. Those flats are something else... 8) 8)
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Postby Glen A » Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:41 am

Wow 8)
Those back scenes really fit in well with the perspective in the front.
If the recent pictures are any thing to go by, you are going to get some stunning photos off that layout when it is finished.

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Postby Korschtal » Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:54 am

I've just caught up now: I really like the building details- it almost makes me want to make an urban scene...
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Postby Bilco » Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:25 pm

It's a railway at last! Track has been laid and a loco and wagon run over it, so I feel justified in calling it a railway layout. I used a rail bender as described in this forum by Mr Bennett - a piece of wood with 3 screws - but it took a lot of trial and error and fine adjustment to get a radius close to what I wanted. Still, it works, so I mustn't carp.

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The curve in question, almost looking like I meant it to be like that. I used Peco O-16.5 track but altered the sleeper spacing a bit - 3 to take up the space of 4 on the as-bought track - as I think it looks a bit better.


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The track running onto the tipping dock, which has undergone a bit of modification since my last posting.

I decided that the Peco sleepers would be too thin just stuck onto the girder - I guess they're meant to be ballasted, so the thickness isn't a problem. In the end I copied the arrangement I photographed on the Blenheim railway point - rail welded to Jubilee steel sleepers, which in turn are welded to the girder. Hand-whittling 20 Jubilee sleepers is what has taken up my time recently!

Other modifications include raising the Wood Bros buildings on a concrete plinth - the backscene isn't fixed to the board yet, while I work on the rear of the layout, hence the nasty gap in photo 1. I am glueing thick card around the rails there to simulate inlaid trackwork, and trying to arrange it so that the trains will still run on the track when I'm finished.

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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:53 pm

Congratulations!! it's a Gn15 layout!!! :D and Gno Gnappies to contend with either :wink: :wink:

The track looks the part and the sleeper spacing looks to be spot on, I must consider that on my next project. I haven't said it before, but I do like how you have detailed the factory backdrop :D
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Postby michael » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:44 pm

Looking better all the time.
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Postby ian holmes » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:47 pm

Looking very nice indeed.

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Postby Bilco » Mon Nov 17, 2008 1:16 pm

Many thanks for the comments guys. I'm not the world's fastest modeller, as I like to consider carefully the next step, then do something different, then try to fix it. However, some progress has been made since August.

Must get that tipping dock finished...
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Postby Bilco » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:29 pm

A bit more work has been done on the back of the layout - the trackwork is now embedded in concrete (or reasonable facsimile thereof), and I've tried out some scenic techniques where they won't be seen from the front!

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This part of the layout will be hidden from the front, and this view won't be available when the backscene is attached. Ideal for some practice at ground cover.


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A view along the track. The near end will be in view from the front. I've tried out a method of producing some areas of cracked concrete which don't look as bad as I feared in this shot!

Plenty more to do - it's a good job I'm retired.
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Postby martin » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:38 pm

the cracked concrete looks great
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Postby jb » Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:48 am

a cracking good job I would say...
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Postby Glen A » Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:01 pm

I am very impressed by the concrete Bill.

What did you use to make it?

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Postby michael » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:08 am

Ok Bill that concrete looks fabulous! now how did you do it? You cant just go posting great pics like that without telling us how you acheived the results. :twisted:
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Postby Bilco » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:24 pm

OK, a quick how-to. It wasn't very high-tech, and owed a lot to serendipity.

To start out, this bit of track is an old piece of cheap flexi-track (not Peco) I found in the back of the garage - I bought it some years ago to strip the rail off and make 16mm scale Jubilee track panels, and this length was left over. The moulded chairs and fixings are quite large. Having glued it down I built up the ground on either side to sleeper level using pieces of 2mm card. I didn't have a lot of it, hence the gully at the side - another bit of serendipity.

The concrete slabs were made from 1mm card, cut to size then painted on top with a couple of coats of Heki Grundfarbe - Granit, which I bought in Germany more years ago than I care to remember - it's lasted very well. For the side slabs I chamfered the side butting up to the rail to fit over the moulded chairs, and for the slabs down the centre of the track I chamfered both sides.


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A piece of the 2mm card with a piece of the centre slab, showing the Heki paint and the chamfering.


When I glued the centre slab down I weighted it in the middle so that the edges were really held down tightly against the chairs. The slabs were then brushed with MIG powdered pigment - the Industrial Grime and Concrete shades - to give a bit of variation in colouring.

Now for the cracks. At first I thought I could just draw some on with a very fine black pen, but that didn't look so good, so I pushed a sharp scalpel down into the card along the drawn crack, so that it made a cut in the card. The black ink gave the crack a bit of colour at the bottom, and more Industrial Grime was brushed over it to bring out the crack.

On the edges of the slabs the thinned card broke off a bit where it wasn't supported by the sleepers, and these bits were glued back at an angle to represent depressed fragments. At the end of the last slab pieces were cut off at angles, then glued down seperately with a bit of tilt and wide gap to represent a more broken up slab.

The weeds were made partly as Steve Bennett showed - Woodlands Scenics coarse foam soaked in PVA and laid in lines where required. However, I have just got some Silfor Grass Tufts, and they make it very easy to put little clumps of weed where required, as they are self-adhesive.

That's all there is to it! Not so quick as I thought, but I hope you get the gist.

By the way, I like the new Che Guevara pose for your avatar, Michael! 8)
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