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A Tom Yorke inspired Critter

Postby David James » Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:29 pm

Hi all,

A while back I purchased a Gn15 sketch book from Thomas Yorke.

There are some terrific ideas in it, and one in particular grabbed my attention.

I had hoped he would produce some of them in kit form, but it looks as though he is getting out of Gn15 so I am on my own!

I will use a Bachmann On30 Street car mechanism for the power.

I have used this before and it is a nice runner.

I want the frame to be very strong and able to be handled with less fear of breakage, so I used some brass angle for it with the thought of attaching strip wood to it with epoxy when it was ready.


This is the underside of the frame with the cross members attached which the mechanism will be attached to.

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Here it is right side up.


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I made the cross members offset, so when I attach it to the Mechanism, it will sit down a little and help hide any wires and the power pickups like so.





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Here you see I have made the wood bits for the frame and glued it to the brass frame.


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As I had hoped it is nice and strong!Image

Here it is sitting in place on the mechanism.


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That's all I have time for now...A busy weekend in store for me!

Cheers!

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Postby Bob Taylor » Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:36 pm

This is going to be good, very good! You won't let me down I'm sure :shock: :wink:


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Postby David James » Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:07 am

Thanks guys.

Forest the loco I built with this bogie before was a lot of fun, but I find I always want to handle it oh so gently and the hair goes up on my neck when others hold it. :!:

I want this one to be solid so I don't need to sweat it. :shock:


Bob, I will give it the old tech school try...I didn't go to collage. Image


I went out and picked up an inexpensive kit for a Ford Model A as I needed a motor for it.

Lots of other goodies in the kit to use as well! :wink:


Here I have started assembly and dirtying of the engine/transmission.


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I will also be using part of the kits frame, mainly the front to make mounting the engine easy.

I was originally going to just use the wood bits on the ends to hold the frame up and keep the engine's oil pan from hitting the bogey, but you could see the bogey through the gap too easily, so I added some wood bits angled to match the angle of the frame between them.

I angled them, so I could add some wire bent to look like u-bolts, and make it look as though the metal frame is anchored to the wood frame with them.


This will sit on top of the first assembly in the front.


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Like this.



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Cheers!

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Postby GUTMACH » Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:05 am

Here I have started assembly and dirtying of the engine/transmission.


Oh really ? Are you sure you didn't pick up one of ol' Henry's original prototype motors, instead ? :shock: Wow, that motor looks to be about eighty or so years old, nice job.

Oh, by the way, nice project you got there. About that Tom Yorke sketchbook, this isn't based on 'Winky' by the way is it?

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Postby Dallas_M » Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:00 am

David James wrote:Here I have started assembly and dirtying of the engine/transmission.

Yo Dave --

So you've just "started" to dirty that thing? Goodness sakes! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Looking forward to seeing all the developments, as this promises to be a wonderful little beast.

Haven't built the engine for my monstrosity yet, so maybe I'll duplicate your cruddiness and make sure I have an assortment of WD-40, Kroil and Marvelous Mystery Oil cans on hand to make sure the thing will turn over! :wink: Just ordered a set of etched detail parts that include ignition keys, key rings, pine tree air fresheners for the rearview mirror and so forth ... look forward to seeing all your wonderful touches.

And all those left-over bits from the Model A will make nice scenic junk to scatter around ...
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Postby Simon Andrews » Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:25 am

Off to a great start Dave. Promises to be a good looking model. Looking forward to the next instalment.

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Postby David James » Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:15 pm

Thanks again guys!

Are you sure you didn't pick up one of ol' Henry's original prototype motors, instead ?


LOL!

No, but I DID find a nice photo online that I kept nearby for assistance Simon.

I find it is always better to go from a photo of the subject rather than trying to rely on what my memory THINKS it looks like.

My memory is usually flawed. :wink:

Dallas where do you find this stuff??

I look but never seem to find the treasures you do!!!!

Be sure to dip the air freshener in some scented oil so it stinks pretty too!! LOL!



I have the engine together now and the frame mount weathered up as well.

I deviated from the plan a bit though.

After I had the stock stuff together, I was looking at the spark plugs.

I thought it would look cool if it had plug wires on it.

So I ditched the stock distributor, and used the custom distributor instead.

I tried the smallest wire I had on hand but it still looked to big, then I looked up and saw a spool of the stuff that is used for HO power wires...the stretchy stuff, and decided to give that a try.

I attached one end to the plug, eyeballed the length, and snipped it off.

Then I glued the other end to one of the 4 bumps on the distributor cap X 4.




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The radiator was 2 parts which was a blessing as it made dry brushing the fin area a breeze.




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Here it is, sitting on the frame.





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I had to make allowances as to where to attach the radiator as I had to make allowances for how I attached the motor on the frame.

If the motor was seated proper on the frame it sat too low, so I attached it higher and slightly forward. I compensated with the radiator, and it has a slight lean forward which I was not happy with until I saw it in the photos. Now I really like it!


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He he, this Gn15 stuff is more fun than I can ever remember having, with my pants on!!

Cheers!

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Postby dr5euss » Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:35 pm

Looking superb, Dave; the brass frame was a great idea too 8)

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Postby Dallas_M » Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:46 pm

David James wrote:Dallas where do you find this stuff??
I look but never seem to find the treasures you do!!!!
Be sure to dip the air freshener in some scented oil so it stinks pretty too!! LOL!


Hi David --

Slow down! You're making progress too fast ... :P ... oh well, I'm working on Gn15 project this morning too, so I'll take it as an extra push.

Check out Detail Masters #2380 "Interior Junk" --- the name alone is a great invitation! Includes keys, key rings, air fresheners, coat hangers, sunglasses, jimmy bar, fork, knife and spoon, Swiss Army knife ... no kidding! (detailmasters.com in the photo etch section)

Lucky find ... I had the notion that ignition keys and even a key ring would be a funny touch that might be "do-able" in G scale ... but I didn't really feel like making bits that small ... was cruising the detail masters site to get some gauges that I had seen in a hobby shop and stumbled on that one ... pretty sure I've got suitable plug wires (aka fine wire) and radiator hose (shrink tubing) here somewhere! 8)

(If I don't have those bits, I might have to go back to that site ... and it'll be hard to resist the go-go girls for the mudflaps a second time!) :wink:

Okay, back to work, you'll be all finished before I rig up my tippy windshield! :lol:
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Postby David James » Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:02 pm

Thanks for the info Dallas!


Okay, back to work, you'll be all finished before I rig up my tippy windshield!


No worries there.

I was able to work so fast on the cars because I was on vacation.

I'm back to work now and have a LOT less time to do fun stuff. ImageImage


Thanks again I will check them out! Image

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Postby Bob Taylor » Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:12 pm

Old school is the ONLY way! Interested what you are going to do with the side frames etc. Trying to work it out and coming up nought! Love surprises :D

Work does seem to get in the way of a lot of good stuff. Needs must. :(

Next time.


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Postby tom yorke » Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:13 pm

David,
Great work so far! You've gotten farther than I on this contraption. Actually, after you've done all that fine work, I did produce a basic frame kit for the beast in resin. A few are still in stock.

I am using the Beverly Hillbillies 1919 Olds for my model, but any old frame/engine combo will work fine as you have done. Model T or A, Stutz, even a 40 Ford or Chevy, etc. will work great. The real machines (2) used Hudson power plants.

To answer the question about side frames; there were none on the prototypes. Just some brake gear and sanding boxes to fill the voids. I have always had a question about some plumbing on the real ones. There was a line running from the 55 gallon drum (water supply?) at the rear, up over the roof, and then down into the radiator??????????? Any ideas? There had to be a pump somewhere or (syphon?) to make this work. I have only seen one photo of one of the units. Anybody have any more info?


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Postby David James » Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:29 pm

Hi Tom,

Wow this is a nice surprise!


I have always had a question about some plumbing on the real ones. There was a line running from the 55 gallon drum (water supply?) at the rear, up over the roof, and then down into the radiator???????????



I was wondering about that myself!!

In my mind, I was thinking that it would not be so much to feed the radiator, but maybe to provide a little pressure for the water in the drum?????

What do you think of that?

As for the side frames, I will be pretty much sticking with your wonderful drawing, with a variation of some rivet detailed styrene attached between the wheels for a little bit more detail in there.

Cheers!

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Postby Glen A » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:07 pm

:shock: Wow is looking pretty stunning so far David.
The weathering job on the motor is incredible.
The colours are so realistic. :shock:

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Postby David James » Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:49 pm

Thanks Glen,



I made up some U bolts out of wire, and installed them to attach the Model A frame to the loco chassis frame.





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I have also started work on the frame for the upper body.

I thought a nice shade of sea sick green, peeling badly, might be nice. :wink:


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After making the end boards for the top, I glued it up and installed them.



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I had to make an adjustment away from Tom's drawing because of the way I angled the frame to mirror the angle of the Model A's frame.

That center vertical brace is forward of the cross brace on the drawing.

Cramped quarters for the driver once again!! :wink:


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Here's a view from the front.



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You can't really see the peeling paint from the previous photos, so here is an ultra close in shot.

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Strange, from the photos you would think the frame work was all helter skelter and out of square, but it isn't!! LOL!

It must be my camera angles.


Cheers!

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Postby Steve Bennett » Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:56 pm

Very nice work Dave, I love the little details you include, really brings things to life.
Must admit to having a few reservations about how practical the loco will be when finished, with those enormous overhangs at each end, curves are going to be a real problem, unless you just plan to run it on it's own :wink: .
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Postby David James » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:19 pm

Hi Steve and thanks!

That's a good point.

Tom drew this up without couplers of any kind, so I just assumed it would run on its own, as many rail trucks did in the US.

However, if I were to build something for it to pull....well...if there is one thing I have learned in this hobby...it's that where there is a will...there is a way!! Image


Shops on the US narrow gauges, and all over the world for that matter, are notorious for their improvisations as I am sure you are well aware. :wink:


I have the flooring in for the cab and rear area of the loco/rail truck/critter/whatever.... now. 8)





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I may be moving along a little too fast as I will be needing some of the detail bits I ordered last Thursday. Image

NAHHHHHHH!

Lot's of things I can work on in the meantime. Image

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:34 pm

David James wrote:Hi Steve and thanks!

That's a good point.

Tom drew this up without couplers of any kind, so I just assumed it would run on its own, as many rail trucks did in the US.

However, if I were to build something for it to pull....well...if there is one thing I have learned in this hobby...it's that where there is a will...there is a way!!

Shops on the US narrow gauges, and all over the world for that matter, are notorious for their improvisations as I am sure you are well aware. :wink:


A "Rooster" will solve the coupler issue David. :idea:
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Postby dr5euss » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:36 pm

Great stuff Dave.

I haven't seen the pic/drawing that provided the inspiration, so it's interesting to see it come to life bit by bit :D

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Postby David James » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:43 pm

A "Rooster" will solve the coupler issue David. :idea:


I was thinking a long draw bar but I like that idea even better Gerry!

I don't think a roosters tensile strength may be strong enough and then there are all those feathers when it "fails".

ROTFL!! I'm kidding of course!!

I have never attempted to model a "Rooster bar" that could be kinda fun! :D

George I would post a photo, but as this drawing is Tom's copyrighted work I don't think he would look kindly upon that...a fella has to eat you know! :wink:


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Postby dr5euss » Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:08 pm

No, I agree Dave :) I think it's better watching it unfold, too ;)

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:29 pm

The Rooster I use has fixed KD knuckles at ends plus a cap to retain it on the Loco/rolling stock KDs.
About halfway down this thread:
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Postby tom yorke » Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:54 pm

Dave,
Looking good! When I finally get around to finishing mine I will probably incorporate trolley-type long/wide couplers the pivot being inside and under the frame about where the motor block screws to your brass frame. I will then mount a wide bar under each end beam to support the coupler bar and its wide swing.

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Postby b1gy1n » Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:58 pm

Hi David,
not been recieving posts but saw your Tom Yorke critter using the Streetcar motoe block,thought you might like to know Tom does a kit for this chassis to fit straight on the block,see his website for details,but i started making this one last xmas,but it took me a while to get hold of the Beverly Hillbillies truck that used as a basis for the engine etc.
will post pics once i get my PC sorted using sons laptop,since hes using my broadband

Like what you have done especiall y the engine and deck work.

regards marc.
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Postby Simon Andrews » Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:08 pm

A "Rooster" will solve the coupler issue David.


I don't think a roosters tensile strength may be strong enough and then there are all those feathers when it "fails".I have never attempted to model a "Rooster bar" that could be kinda fun!

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Sorry, couldn't resist :roll: The critter looks great Dave :wink:

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