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Postby Rockley Bottom » Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:04 pm

I started to remove the body from a Bachmann Percy (the one with the movable eyes). All went well until I got to the boiler, which seems to have a boiler inside the boiler :twisted: A closer look showed this to hold the drive for the rolling eyes. It also has a small circuit board which seems hold two circuits, any ideas why :?:
Has anybody stripped a Percy any further than this :?: The inner boiler seems at first sight to be joined onto the main chassis.
It seems to be a nice runner and I could build over the inner boiler.
Any ideas folks :!: :!:
Could take pictures of it as it stands if this would help
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Postby Oztrainz » Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:16 pm

Hi Ralph,
I think Michael has used a Bachmann Percy for one of his Macton locos. I can remember seeing a partially dismembered Percy, gnot sure whether it was here or in one of the Tomes :?:
There are pics of Michael's Thomas bash and he mentions Percy here
http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=3457&start=0
Gnot sure that this is all that helpful so far :?
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Postby Rockley Bottom » Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:25 pm

Thanks John
I think the ones in the article is Hornby, but I also remember a Bachmann chassis.

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Postby Oztrainz » Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:28 pm

Hi Ralph,
Michael's one are further down and it speciffically mentions Bachmann-
working my way backwards thru Macton for you now
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Postby Oztrainz » Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:46 pm

Hi Ralph,
Gerry has also successfully butchered one into a vertical boiler steamer here: http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=3631
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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:59 pm

I'll chop one up tomorrow and see how it goes together.

I'll photograph it :D
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Postby Rockley Bottom » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:37 pm

Thanks all
Look forward to seeing the pics Barry
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Postby michael » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:44 am

Hello Ralph, the Bachmann Percy does have an inner boiler and you ar right it houses the extra gears to move the eyes. You can successfully remove most of the gears if you take the internal boiler apart. There is a lot of stuff just to move the eyes and it is not needed.
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When you strip down to this level then undo the small screws that hold the two halves together it can then be opened up like this
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then remove all the gears that work the eyes like this
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put it back together and you have a nice mechanism.
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Postby Gerry Bullock » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:19 am

Hi Ralph,
Following on from Michael's photos and "how to" instructions if you want to shorten length of the internal "Boiler" this is doable. You can make a vertical cut (I re-assembled the "Boiler" first) which must be 20.5mm from the front of this motor housing; any shorter and you cut into the bosses holding the unit together. The location of the horizontal slot I leave to you as it's easy to see from gearbox end where to locate the cut.
Result - quite a small protrusion above footplate which should be easy to lose within any subsequent Loco outline.
Hope that helps.
For anyone looking to buy a Percy I recommend doing so NOW. They can be found in UK from a number of Suppliers and (at current $/£ exchange rates) are cheaper than prices advertised in States and that's before adding the postage. UK Prices at current levels can't last much longer.
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Postby steerngo » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:53 am

Gerry Bullock wrote:For anyone looking to buy a Percy I recommend doing so NOW. They can be found in UK from a number of Suppliers and (at current $/£ exchange rates) are cheaper than prices advertised in States and that's before adding the postage. UK Prices at current levels can't last much longer.


You forgot the Post Office £8.00 STEALTH TAX! to add.

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Postby Rockley Bottom » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:57 am

Thanks all
Lots of great tips
Michael, thanks the pictures which answers my Email question :oops: :oops:

I agree about getting them now, I got myself three last week, May :wink:
Use two as a 0-4-0 0-4-0 with centre cab, but it would need a big layout :lol:
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Postby Gerry Bullock » Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:51 pm

steerngo wrote:You forgot the Post Office £8.00 STEALTH TAX! to add.

Ken


Strange Ken I've only paid that once in 5 years of buying from States - at least 50 transactions. The current amount before duty is charged is £36 (including shipping charges), Percy would probably creep in under that figure.
However, as I said before who would buy when it's cheaper here. :wink:
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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:18 pm

Thanks for posting the pictures Michael, I refrain from chopping one up for the time being, just as well as I'm a bit busy at the moment.
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Postby steerngo » Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:44 pm

Gerry Bullock wrote:
steerngo wrote:You forgot the Post Office £8.00 STEALTH TAX! to add.

Ken


Strange Ken I've only paid that once in 5 years of buying from States - at least 50 transactions. The current amount before duty is charged is £36 (including shipping charges), Percy would probably creep in under that figure.
However, as I said before who would buy when it's cheaper here. :wink:


Bare it in mind to add the postage too the cost of the loco.

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Postby Glen A » Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:23 pm

Thanks for posting those detailed photos Michael.

Great timing for me, as I had been eyeing one up after recieving a payment from the last show on Friday.
I need to reinvest some of it into the layout ready for the next extension, (before my wife spends it all on clothes :twisted: ).

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Postby Rockley Bottom » Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:39 pm

Just had a good study of Michael's pics which make a first class tutorial to complete the job,
The removal of the unwanted cogs should reduce the friction on the motor by a fair amount and make space for either a DCC chip or/plus ballast.
It looks as though chip fitment should be straight forward :roll:
Worked on the wooden bodied diesel today ans sorted out the placement of the LED's.
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Postby steerngo » Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:23 pm

gerry wrote
strange Ken I've only paid that once in 5 years of buying from States - at least 50 transactions. The current amount before duty is charged is £36 (including shipping charges), Percy would probably creep in under that figure.

actually gerry its £18 (£36 is for gifts) and lately the PO is charging every time its over the £18 in our area.

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Postby peterfelgate » Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:27 pm

The Bachmann Junior 0-4-0 in "GWR" colours appears to be a Percy without the moving eyes thus avoiding the surgery and gear removal. Having said that, if you can find them, they tend to be more expensive than the Percy....

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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:46 pm

peterfelgate wrote:The Bachmann Junior 0-4-0 in "GWR" colours appears to be a Percy without the moving eyes thus avoiding the surgery and gear removal. Having said that, if you can find them, they tend to be more expensive than the Percy....


It is, but it is actually a different chassis, as is the Junior version of the "Thomas"
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Postby steerngo » Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:29 pm

barry, my greg 0-4-0 chassis is exactly the same as the percy but without the extra gears for the eyes, i have it in front of me in bits.

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Postby Rockley Bottom » Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:52 pm

I think at the moment, any how, I had better stop at three Percy's, other-wise I will never finish a loco never mind a layout :? :?
Must get myself at least a circle of track to run something around :oops:
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Postby Jon Randall » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:03 pm

Rockley Bottom wrote:
Must get myself at least a circle of track to run something around :oops:

Pizza for breakfast Ralph :?: :wink:
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Postby Rockley Bottom » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:20 pm

Could be Jon :) possibly an oval without the topping :lol:
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Postby Oztrainz » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:21 pm

Hi all, perhaps its time for a request for Percy and any other "undressed" loco mechanisms to be added here:
http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=3457
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