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Postby Jez kirkwood » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:10 pm

Very nice model Bill - really captures the feel of the real thing

Steve - the lumps on the side of 'Workhorse' are frame extentions rather than wieghts as she ran on 2'6" originally so the axle bearings need to be mounted 3" further out each side than on the usual 2' version.

more pics/info here http://www.mrt.org.uk/simplex/ click on 'diesel' then '10hp'

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Postby Steve Bennett » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:15 pm

Jez kirkwood wrote:Steve - the lumps on the side of 'Workhorse' are frame extentions rather than wieghts as she ran on 2'6" originally so the axle bearings need to be mounted 3" further out each side than on the usual 2' version.


Oh yes, forgot it worked on one of those peat railways with the funny gauge :lol:
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Postby Colin Peake » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:51 am

Looks absolutely superb and a million miles away from the original, will certainly be considering this for one of my 'Ernies' in due course. Some idea of the size of some of the plasticard parts would be useful for future reference ;)

Your picture of the leftovers reminds me of something Dave Lister said in 'Red Dwarf' "There's a few bits left over, but it's always the same when you do a bit of D-I-Y!" :lol:

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Postby Bilco » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:56 pm

Many thanks for the kind comments - it's turned out rather better than I feared it would at one point - shows up the lack of a fully-thought out plan before reaching for the razor saw! Making it up as you go along is good fun, though. Thanks for the link to the prototype photos, Jez - I had been using Henrik's and Chris' models as reference, so it's really a model of a model :roll:

If my model catches the feel of the original I guess that's the best that I can hope for, using UE as the basis - which was the object of the exercise - things you can make from UE. I could see that the bonnet should be longer and higher, and the sides should be vertical - there is a slight but discernible "batter", probably due to the moulding process. I thought at one stage of making a wrapper for the top part, and extending the front and rear with more laminates of plasticard. If I had done that there would have been even less of the original UE to be seen, and I may as well have built it from that magic ingredient, scratch. It would have probably taken half as long to do it, too!

Colin, nothing magic about the plasticard additions - the side frames are 0.5mm, 58x5.5mm, and the big weights front and rear are laminated from 1mm, 40x29. The top of the bonnet is 1mm card as well, the floor of the cab 0.4, and the engine cover 0.2 or thereabouts. The seat is a piece of an off-cut of plastic extrusion I found in a skip - 25x6, with rounded edges. I think it was a piece of uPVC house-cladding stuff, and I just knew it would come in useful - one day 8)

Now I've seen the prototype I might alter a few details - anything to put off the trauma of trying to paint it.
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Postby chris krupa » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:08 am

When I was building my Simplex, I found quite a bit of information on the net. There are pictures out there but as it was so long ago, I don't have any addresses any more. Try googling Simplex and following links if you still need information.

The only thing I couldn't find on the net was a view of the floor of the cab and the cab end of the engine housing. This is important in order to show the driving controls. I believe that the Perrygrove example has been altered from the original.

It is frustrating that the owners of the only (as far as I know) original loco, ex Midhurst Whites, in the UK are difficult to get hold of. I will say again, if anyone knows how to contact the 'Mickey Finn Railway' in Poole, then please let me know, privately if necessary.

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Postby Bilco » Mon May 11, 2009 4:16 pm

I finally bit the bullet and painted Ernieplex last week - not too many traumas, and an acceptable result.


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After an undercoat spray I sprayed the body in BR Crimson enamel from the Railmatch range that Howes of Oxford sell in a spray can. When that was dry I brush-painted the appropriate bits with Railmatch acrylic black - I haven't done much acrylic by brush before, and I'm not entirely happy with the result- perhaps I should have thinned it a bit before application?


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I gave the axleboxes a quick dusting of MIG grime powder and they just show up under the bodywork.


Weathering and detailing next to do.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Mon May 11, 2009 4:25 pm

Having seen this in the flesh on saturday, I have to say the photo's only just show how good it is. When holding it, I could see how beautifully finished it is. If I could have sneaked it out of Bill's stockbox while he wasnt looking, it would have a new home now :lol: It really is a lovely model, just hope I can come close when I have a go at copying it :roll:
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Postby Jon Randall » Mon May 11, 2009 5:02 pm

What a little cutey.
Grand job Bill :mrgreen:
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Postby foswaldy13 » Mon May 11, 2009 5:32 pm

very nicely done. It is especially impressive considering its humble beginnings.... :lol:

Edited for spelling mistake. whoops... :lol:
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Postby Simon Andrews » Mon May 11, 2009 11:03 pm

OOOOOOOH :!: Shiny 8) :mrgreen:

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Postby dieselwater » Tue May 12, 2009 12:33 am

A very beautiful and elegant model, gnoice 8)
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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Tue May 12, 2009 1:52 am

Bilco wrote: I haven't done much acrylic by brush before, and I'm not entirely happy with the result- perhaps I should have thinned it a bit before application?

Depends on brand - and sometimes even on specific color :shock:
Sometines different for gloss or flat.
And on whether there's any finger grease on what you're painting.


Over here I've no experience with that brand. Three brands I've used: Tamiya colors work best when brushed once in one direction.
Especially metallic grey and olive drab.
Their gloss black needs thinning for me.
PollyScale, brush it a coulpe strokes then leave it alone.
Testors, do whatever you want with your brush.
Except for silver, gunmetal, jet exhaust.

There's some miniatures gaming and model ship colors I ordered that come from a UK outfit where paint comes in small jar as pretty much a paste. Now that definitely requires thinning!

She's looking good there 8) Now all she needs is a driver.
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Postby Colin Peake » Tue May 12, 2009 6:12 am

Looks absolutely stunning, you would be hard pressed to tell it's origins if you didn't know what it started life as. Wish I had seen it on Saturday, Steve said you were about!

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Postby Bilco » Tue May 12, 2009 11:08 am

Many thanks for the kind comments, chaps. The painting went much better than I feared, but the dark red and dead black are a light sink - I shall try a couple of light grey washes to give it a dusty, faded look.

Sorry I missed you on Saturday, Colin. Steve said that there were other Gnatterboxers around, and I seemed to end up in the Gn15 corner every so often. I even bought some of those very interesting little packages from Pepper7 - and had the thrill of holding the original Simplicity Sidings! Thanks for your kindness, Steve.
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Postby AndyA » Wed May 13, 2009 8:48 am

It looks superb to me - really catches the spirit of the thing, and I love the colour scheme. And on a personal note, thanks for posting the build - you've given me the impetus to carry on with my concept stuff

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Postby Bilco » Sat May 16, 2009 8:01 pm

Willow Creek Traction wrote:Now all she needs is a driver.


Thanks for the advice on acrylics, Forrest, and I haven't forgotten the driver! I am using another Schleich figure - the man with shovel


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He is in a semi-sitting position, at least with the left leg - but needs to get rid of that shovel. I'm sure he will appreciate losing it - it looks like it's made of half-inch armour plate! That left hand will have to go, too, and be replaced with one doing something a bit more innocuous :oops:


So far I've removed all the unwanted bits -

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and cleaned up where the shovel handle ran. He's lost the right hand, too. Next job is to reposition the legs and right arm. Last Saturday Steve and I compared our efforts on the Schleich sitting figure, and Steve told me that he had been able to do the repositioning by putting the limb in boiling water and bending it when it became soft. I thought I would have a go at this, and have found it works well so far. The right leg will need some cutting as well to bend it neatly, but the plastic becomes very malleable when put in the boiling water, and can be bent as needed, then held in position under the cold tap to fix it.

I'm off for a short vacance en France, so the work will stop for a few days. As you can see in the first photo, I haven't done any weathering on Ernieplex yet - I'm trying to summon up the nerve to do it, but aborted an attempt at a grey wash this morning - it looked terrible, so I washed it all off before it dried. Possibly weathering powders would be better - or enamel by air brush - or perhaps I could plead it is a brand new loco and hasn't had time to get dirty? :roll:
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Postby Simon Moore » Sun May 17, 2009 1:24 pm

I'm jealous! Not of the plastic surgery but of the loco! Absolutely brilliant, inspiration for if and when I get an Ernie, I feel I have to replace my poor card attempt now :roll:

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Postby Steve Bennett » Sun May 17, 2009 1:59 pm

Bilco wrote:Last Saturday Steve and I compared our efforts on the Schleich sitting figure, and Steve told me that he had been able to do the repositioning by putting the limb in boiling water and bending it when it became soft. I thought I would have a go at this, and have found it works well so far. The right leg will need some cutting as well to bend it neatly, but the plastic becomes very malleable when put in the boiling water, and can be bent as needed, then held in position under the cold tap to fix it.


I cant take any credit for the hot water treatment, it was raised by someone else on here (I think) but dont remember who. So not an original idea on my part, just passing on the tip :wink:
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Postby Oztrainz » Sun May 17, 2009 2:44 pm

If you don't want the credit then I suppose I'd better 'fess up then with my "hot tip"
http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=238&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=250

Like most good things it was discovered by accident - I used it for my Field Twins on their Simple Speeder here:
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Postby Steve Bennett » Sun May 17, 2009 3:12 pm

Oztrainz wrote:If you don't want the credit then I suppose I'd better 'fess up then with my "hot tip"


Apologies John, I should have remembered, but the memory is not as good as it once was :wink:
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Postby Bilco » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:23 pm

Progress has been slow and not without incident - my worst fears about weathering have come to pass!

Meantime, I've been pressing on with the driver - based on the Schleich Stable Boy figure. The use of boiling water to soften the plastic and reposition the limbs seemed to work, but over time there seems to be a tendency to revert back to the original position. I tried over-bending, so that the spring-back gives a final position close to what I want, and it seems to help, but I did resort to cutting the right leg at the knee to get the required angle.


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A face-on shot - the hands are from two other Schleich figures, and the right one in particular needed some radical carving. They look huge in this shot!

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A side view, lounging in the seat from Ernieplex. Painted with Railmatch acrylics and given a wash of dilute Burnt Sienna before a spray of Dullcote.

This gent is Willie and Didi's American cousin, Woodrow Ekerslyke - known as Woody to his friends. He seems to be a laid-back individual, and shares the smoking habit his English cousins have.

I have tried various washes on Ernieplex, but always rush to wash them off again after seeing the results. I did give the whole thing a spray of Dullcote. However, this didn't protect it from the latest accident. I bought some Dr Mike's CA at Bruton - the red and the green. They seem to be very thin and runny, and spring out of the nozzle before I'm ready, with 10 times as much as I want. After one attempt to control the flow I found that I'd deposited a fine spray over the front of Ernieplex. The droplets ate through the Dullcote and even, in one or two places, through the black acrylic paint. After a spell of leaping about and swearing I sanded down the affected area and have repainted it. :roll:

I have seen adverts for precision application nozzles like syringe needles for CA. Has anyone tried them, and does the CA clog them up after a while - even Dr Mike's?? I don't apply direct to the part, but onto a piece of plasticard and then use a pin to place the CA where I want it.
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Postby Glen A » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:54 pm

Nice job Bill.

The helmet is good (I can't my ones to look right)
Also the un-politically correct cigarette in the hand is a good detail too.

Sorry to hear about your glue troubles. Unfortunately the 'better' the glue the more likely it is to cut through paint. :cry: One painter I know even uses MEK to clean paint out of his painting gear.

I think Gerry suggested using old computer printer ink refillers for glue dispensers. I think it is on the main gn15.info site.
edit: found it : http://www.gn15.info/precise-application-of-pvafluids/
edit again: :oops: Opps, just re-read it and it is just for pva glues. Maybe CA will cut through the plastic? sorry.

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Postby michael » Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:26 pm

Bill, What a great transition from a toy to a really great looking model. A very inspired bit of adaption, the colour works very well.
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Postby Bilco » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:01 am

Well, I think I'll declare Ernieplex officially finished. After days (weeks?) of agonizing over dirtying it up I gave it the thinnest of rusty washes, plus some slightly thicker drips in odd corners, and some touches with metallic and rust coloured pencils. All is now sealed under Dullcote, so I can't change it anyway!

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Woody relaxing with a couple of tubs on the curve by Baigent's factory. Ernieplex looking remarkably clean still in this view.


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A view of the other end of Ernieplex showing the controls and a bit more rust. Yes, those knobs are from the original UE!


Now I've got On The Drawing Board back in its rightful place and Ernieplex finished, I can get back to work on the layout. :roll:
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Postby Glen A » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:10 am

Good job Bill.
It looks great on the layout.


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