Belle Lane - Santo's restaurant and Coffee house.

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Postby chris69 » Sun May 10, 2009 5:19 pm

Wow,
what a great post.Following your progress is gold mine of info that will come in handy on my project.Not even close to yours in detail,but your techniques
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Postby foswaldy13 » Mon May 11, 2009 1:25 am

Little Andi. wrote:or roof it with slate or glass??


To my eye, on a building like this, it would probably have been slate or some other type of shingle. But I think th eglass may make it seem a little more "upscale"

But that is just my humble opinion..... :roll:
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Postby Little Andi. » Mon May 11, 2009 11:22 am

Tally-ho cheps...............


Hm! - thanks you guys for the suggestions but you do realise this was all built and completed a little while ago now - don't you?


Well actually, I gave in to my gut feeling and went with the glazed roof, to be honest this wasn't the original plan - t'was slate you know, which means you guy's were thinking along the same lines as me anyway - or I was thinking along those of yourselves......more experienced modellers - which pleases me!
But I guess this is a good as opportunity as any to point out the good and bad of building on the fly. Good being I think it worked out quite well? Bad - I guess that the extra thinking and doing cost me several extra days at the bench, which if I was worried about such a thing would have been a tragedy!!!


So............... here's an over shot from the Double Decker again............. Shows the roof off a bit???

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Frustratingly the glazing bars look a bit thick and clumsy. Honestly - there is a depth to them with not only the bars themselves but the flashing over too! Dang photo's only ever seem to catch the bad bits.

Anyhoo........... while I'm indulging myself! A square on shot.........................

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And finally - this shot is at a much more natural angle. In fact I measured the lens to be about a scale 5' 10" feet off the floor, so really as eye level a shot as is possible.............

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I've been prattling on like an idiot I know, but I'm happy enough to carry on - because it pleases me to do so, and nobody's yelled at me to stop yet?



Very nearly finished now - and almost caught up with where I am too.

Later with the last of the updates.

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Postby DCRfan » Mon May 11, 2009 12:01 pm

Little Andi. wrote:I've been prattling on like an idiot I know, but I'm happy enough to carry on - because it pleases me to do so, and nobody's yelled at me to stop yet?


Andi.


STOP :shock: Don't you dare, I'm having way too much fun watching this build. :)
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Postby John New » Mon May 11, 2009 12:14 pm

Same comment from me too - don't stop. The more how to do it articles the better as they either act for me as good revision pieces or inspire a trial of new techniques.
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Postby dieselwater » Mon May 11, 2009 12:41 pm

Please don't stop :shock: The glass porch is incredible :D You've inspired my modelling and many others too.
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Postby Little Andi. » Mon May 11, 2009 1:06 pm

Awe! - you guys!!

I feel all fuzzy inside now? .................... actually please don't think I was fishing for compliments. Although it's always nice to know your efforts are appreciated and well received - so thanks very much.
There will of course be a price to pay you know??
Pretty soon I will be in need of help with layout, track making/laying - electrics............... all manner of things I hadn't envisioned when I first arrived here just a short while ago.

Thanks again...................... Andi.
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Postby Larry » Mon May 11, 2009 4:22 pm

dieselwater wrote:Please don't stop :shock: The glass porch is incredible :D You've inspired my modelling and many others too.


Heck,

He's inspired me to add a glass porch to my house!

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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Tue May 12, 2009 12:03 am

Those glazing bars look fine from 'eye level' 8)
Would wager there's lots of things would look odd to us if we got opportunity to fly around at bird height.

Sometimes it is good to not rush or force something to happen on a project.
At least not for me: something always goes wrong when progress is forced.

From a design point of view, with that deep green paint there would have been too dark a shadow under there if opaque roofing was used.
Wolud have looked like entering a cave or tomb :?
Mugh better the way it is :D
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Postby Little Andi. » Tue May 12, 2009 7:37 am

Once again guy's........... many thanks for your continued enthusiasm for this project, it's particularly warming to know that you're being so wonderfully encouraging.

Anyhoo....................

A bit of an "end of chapter", in as much as Santo's and Stella's place is all buttoned up and can be presented for the first time as a single piece!
The only real component missing is the handrail to the restaurant steps, I figured this to be quite vulnerable and will fit it once it's all been planted upon it's base [path/road], and it will go in amongst all the all street furniture and groovy bits.

Now, I've done something a bit "strange"!! As can be seen I've incorporated a black'n'white shot as well as the standard pic'.......... this is usually something that I'll just do for my own amusement. But......... it's the way I check for the "Look".
As you're building it becomes so familiar that more often than not I lose objectivity! Having a quick peek in B/W not only gives the view a period feel [All my memories as a very young child are in black and white] it also allows one to view it through another pair of eyes so to speak.

You be the judge........................

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And the B/W....................

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And again.......................

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And yet another.............

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I've posted them a bit bigger so you can have a right good look at 'em! The build does read much easier in the flesh, and the mistakes don't feel quite so hard and jarring.

What about the B/W's?? - I'm reasonably pleased............. I hadn't knocked myself out with this project - just having a bit of fun on my own really, but I truly feel that if you scanned the pic's quickly - Well.........you could perhaps be forgiven for having to do a double take!!!! ?

I was certainly pleased enough to try and carry on, in fact truth be told I'm a little bit chuffed with how it's turned out - better than I really hoped actually.

This is when I thought about moving on to the main reason for Belle Lane ;- and we'll start with Miss Lemon's Cottage.......... So - All the best..........see you in the next thread?

Andi.

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Postby Larry » Tue May 12, 2009 8:13 am

I continue to be enthralled by how well you are representing this great little building.


Just a thought you might consider---

In the United States, not commercial establishment would have made it the 30 -odd years you trying to represent without some kind of advertisement on the building, some sort of notice you could see from the street or at least a decal on the window.

It's too early for a Visa decal in the corner of the window, but something would have been there.

Maybe an "open" sign? or the Menu displayed?

Here it would most likely have been a Coca Cola sign. :wink:

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Postby Simon Andrews » Tue May 12, 2009 8:45 am

Outstanding work :!: So much character 8)

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Postby Little Andi. » Wed May 13, 2009 2:41 pm

Larry wrote:
In the United States, not commercial establishment would have made it the 30 -odd years you trying to represent without some kind of advertisement on the building, some sort of notice you could see from the street or at least a decal on the window.



Hi Larry................

Firstly many thanks for your kind remarks, and secondly "Yes" you're right over here too it would be adorned by now with various odds and sods.
I had thought of this and intend to "dress" the building appropriately when it's finally placed in situ'! I have already many posters and enamel type signs waiting in the wings for the occasion. In fact this final dressing is the bit I look forward to the most and one of the things that keeps me going on any given project - my own kind of carrot and stick method if you will.
But I do appreciate your input and enthusiasm.

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Wed May 13, 2009 4:06 pm

Looking great Andi, I have this marked down for inclusion in VE as soon as the requisite piece of track makes an appearance. :wink:
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Postby michael » Sat May 23, 2009 6:55 am

Andi, thank you for this thread you have no idea how much I needed to see this work. You have a wonderful sense of lightness in the way you work, and the pure joy shines through in bucketfulls. Your attention to the simple little details is superb, I love the glazed ceramic floor tiles in the entrances, can't remember how many of those threshholds I crossed as a thirteen year old delivering newspapers.

Now I have to go to bed as it is almost 1 am. My only complaint is that I was not intending to stay up this late.

Thanks again for the inspiration. The bar is raised higher yet again.
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Postby Little Andi. » Sun May 24, 2009 4:18 pm

michael wrote:Andi, thank you for this thread you have no idea how much I needed to see this work. You have a wonderful sense of lightness in the way you work, and the pure joy shines through in bucketfulls. Your attention to the simple little details is superb, I love the glazed ceramic floor tiles in the entrances, can't remember how many of those threshholds I crossed as a thirteen year old delivering newspapers.




Awww!............. thank you.

I appreciate you saying so, and I'm truly pleased that what I'm trying to do has a tangible quality. This hopefully is just the beginning of an ongoing project, but the fact is I'm hoping every little cameo element carries with it a sense of excitement and ............... hmmm! perhaps almost innocence would be the right word?

I'm playing with trying to build a few character figures at the moment and hopefully I will try and make a little scruffy kid complete with a ragamuffin dog that can get into all sorts of trouble mischief and adventures............ a very thinly disguised "ME" in fact!

Thanks again Michael................ I've read a lot of your posts and seen a lot of what you do too - Not too shabby my friend - not too shabby at all!

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Postby Rockley Bottom » Sun May 24, 2009 8:21 pm

A great effort :) :) The beauty of it is every bit is in scale,and no one item is over or under modelled. Thanks

By the way it often helps to view a model(or a picture) through a mirror as this gives one a new perspective.

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Postby Geeky Gecko » Sun May 24, 2009 9:20 pm

Fantastic! Your modelling is really making me want to model some buildings again. Incidentally, I think the glass porch, by lighting the doorway,when compared to a solid roof, would probably encourage more customers into the restaurant . Have you considered modelling the interior?
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Re: Belle Lane - Santo's restaurant and Coffee house.

Postby PeterH » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:46 am

I like these buildings. Here’s some photos from this and other of Andi’s threads. Unfortunately I only saved these:

From Miss Lemon’s cottage:

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Re: Belle Lane - Santo's restaurant and Coffee house.

Postby Bilco » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:38 pm

Wonderful to see these cracking models again - thank you peter!
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Postby michael » Thu Nov 23, 2017 4:20 pm

I have to agree with Bill thanks for the recovery Peter. This forum seems to be a lot easier to replace ones own pictures in ones own threads than some others. so I appreciate all the work that you and Chris have been doing to fix these older threads of other builders that are full of gems.

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Postby docnjoj » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:09 pm

Yes to photo replacement on this site! A lot of the work here is superior, and it allows us mere mortals to see what is possible.
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Re: Belle Lane - Santo's restaurant and Coffee house.

Postby PeterH » Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:22 pm

Andi wrote an article about how he made his buildings, here:

http://tome.gn15.info/14_fall_09.pdf
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