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Postby Gerry Balding » Wed Dec 24, 2003 6:29 pm

Hi everyone out there in Gn15 world.

I am currently building a micro layout over the holidays. I would like the track to appear grassy and overgrown. You know, typical narrow gauge pw where the rails just appear in the grass and the sleepers are all overgrown and hidden. Any ideas how I could model this convincingly?

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Postby m6cruiser » Wed Dec 24, 2003 9:27 pm

Never done it Gerry, but if I did I would try a ballast mixture of assorted green and brown scenic materials (including bits of lichen look-alikes), real (model!) ballast and dilute PVA glue. Or for added realism, perhaps add some scrapings off the odd mouldy stone or brick from the damper parts of the garden.

Come to think of it, maybe you could put the whole baseboard out there for a few months to grow its own biological agents, while you get on with building the locos and stock. :D

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Postby Emrys » Thu Dec 25, 2003 7:05 pm

I've not tried this, but the Barry Norman technique of using lint to recreate grass in 4mm scale could work for grass between the tracks of a more sensibly-scaled layout.
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Postby Gerry Balding » Sat Dec 27, 2003 5:58 pm

Hi Guys,

Thanks for the advice. I had thought about the Barry Norman method. I have his book on my shelf so I'll dig it out and have a look. I remember some years ago this method being suggested in 009 News. However, the idea of cutting up hundreds of minute pieces of lint to fit between the sleepers put me off. Another consideration to think of is not to make the lint too long otherwise there is a danger that fluff will work its way into loco mechanisms.

Anyway, I have finally laid some track on a small board and wired it up. Now I can experience the joys of shunting in Gn15. Great fun!

Will let you know how I get on with the grass.

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Postby Alan » Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:36 pm

The best model I've ever seen of grassy tracks was by Ben Calcott, I believe of New Zealand, who posted some photographs to one of the Yahoo! groups.

He's in the member list of this forum as Ben but I don't know if he stills visits. He does have both email and website links listed though.
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Postby Emrys » Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:40 pm

The best photo (IMHO) illustrating Ben's excellent model is in his Photo Gallery at http://nztrains.com - it's the photo called pinehill1.jpg (though the other photos are good, this gives a close up of the track and surroundings).

If Ben does read this, any chance of a "Tips" article on how you achieved the overgrown effect?
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Postby Ben » Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:39 am

Hi all,
Thanks for the comments on my grassy track.
For my grass I just glued clay dust ballast down and the used static grass on top of the ballast. I used a flat bladed screwdriver afterwards to clear the flange way.

I'll write a tips article but it might take a few weeks/months

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Postby Gerry Balding » Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:02 pm

Thanks guys for all the useful tips and ideas. I'll let you know how I get on.

I remember reading an article many year ago about how to create graasy track in 009. This involved the dyed lint method but cutting a small square of lint to fit in the space between every sleeper. I'm sure this would have looked wonderful, but incredibly fiddly and time consuming.

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Postby AndyTee » Sun Jan 18, 2004 9:34 pm

:idea: haven't tried this but it occurs to me that if you cut a single long strip of lint to fit between the rails but only put the glue where you want the grass (ie in the spaces between the sleepers) you'd get the effect whilst minimising the 'fiddle'......
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Re: Ben's wonderful grass

Postby Gavin Sowry » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:55 am

Ben wrote:I'll write a tips article but it might take a few weeks/months

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:roll: How long :?:
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Postby michael » Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:16 am

How long



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Postby Mozzer » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:40 am

How about using Grass mat with extra scater over the top
this way you would get just the rail showing thought the grass with little lose grass to get in the loco mecs
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Postby Blackcloud Railways » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:14 am

I know this is an old thread but if the question still applies to anyone how about using "Pot Topper" cut to fit betwen the sleepers?
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As far as I'm aware it's only available from a certain store chain in the USA, but if you have a friendly Stateside contact you might be able to get some sent over.
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I've used it as short grass on Lakeside (1:12 scale) but I've seen it on an HO scale layout too, it lends itself to different scales as different lengths of grass. A big advantage for use between the rails is that it does not have loose straggly bits to get caught in loco mechanisms.
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http://www.railroad-line.com/discussion ... C_ID=26141

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Postby KEG » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:14 am

Today modells probably would use some kind of electro stat machine:

http://www.ruleslawyer.bellguard.com/?p=8

http://www.die-feldbahnsinnigen.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=475

If two long, simply cur it down with one of these cheap haircutting machines.

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Postby Bilco » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:13 am

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Postby Blackcloud Railways » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:29 am

A fair substitute in larger scales such as Gn15 Bill, but I doubt the moss toppers would be as loco-friendly as the American synthetic version which is fairly resilient to rubbing, such as during track cleaning, without bits coming loose. :wink:

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Postby Artizen » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:02 am

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Postby Bilco » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:10 pm

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Postby Artizen » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:31 pm

If you use the moss balls, be sure they are the small tuft versions with a variation in the texture. The large artificial moss balls on shopadilly are too long in the texture for modelling - the length can be up to 2cm. The grass sheets are excellent but are very uniform in colour and texture. I find the wargamers love them for some reason!

Of course, Gavin did a good job as well - http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t= ... &start=450
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Re: Grassy Track

Postby Steve Bennett » Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:35 pm



They are a bit big for between the rails Bill.
I looked at them in the aquarium section of the local branch of The Range a while ago. Would be useful for weeds, but the segments are more than an inch/25mm long.
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Postby Bilco » Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:34 pm

Aye, it's a boogar. Amazon shows these - but they're not in stock http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sheet-Artificia ... B0017PRXQQ

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Postby Gavin Sowry » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:25 pm

Artizen wrote:Of course, Gavin did a good job as well - http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t= ... &start=450


:roll: Save you having to trawl through that diatribe of mine, here's the photo...

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Postby Gavin Sowry » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:01 am

:shock: I had a second go at the grass down the middle of the road.

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Both Paul and myself got good comments from patrons at the Masterton Show. Other modellers too, were wanting to 'have a go', and in the true Kiwi spirit, Mark (builder/owner of the 'zapper') offered to lend the necessary.
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Postby Gavin Sowry » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:11 am

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The subtle approach..... just a few weeds.

:shock: Not a bad photo for an 8 year old (Grandson) who's never been shown how to take photos. Paul's still to be named 'Foriegn Layout'
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Postby DCRfan » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:20 pm

I have never realised how nationalistic artifical moss balls are. There must be a factory somewhere in deepest China with USA, UK, Australian and New Zealand production lines.

This is what is available in NZ

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I've pealed of sections to make clumps of grass on my Rhodesian layout
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