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Postby Ian-IoM » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:02 am

Looking good David, I'll be watching to see how this develops :)

The multi-level lift ideas reminded me of Gilbert Gribi's On2 layout on Carl Arendt's site, four levels connected by a lift made from old printer parts, and really nice scenic treatment. It's at the bottom of http://www.carendt.us/scrapbook/page45a/index.html
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Postby Thin Layman » Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:47 pm

Take a look at this for all matters funicular, inclined, cable-hauled and/or cliff-climbing...

http://www.hows.org.uk/personal/rail/
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Postby dieselwater » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:00 pm

Thanks Matt,

Some very interesting and enjoyable ponderings there 8)
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Postby dieselwater » Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:33 pm

Critter time 8)

These have got me propper inspired!

I love the low cab and narrow hood proportions. I'm thinking a scaled down version to fit a 15 inch gauge should be interesting. Plus it would be ideal in a mine complex. Love to hear your thoughts :D

I love the yellow and wasp stripes:

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This one has a slighty different look. I like the panels and the tarps over the cab door:

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I love the side profile:

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This is the fantasticly critter crazy site I got these from:

http://www.werkbahn.de/photos.htm
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Postby mad gerald » Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:45 pm

David,

dieselwater wrote:Critter time 8)
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I love the low cab and narrow hood proportions. I'm thinking a scaled down version to fit a 15 inch gauge should be interesting. Plus it would be ideal in a mine complex. Love to hear your thoughts :D


... I actually did already a cardboard Gn15 adaption of that KOEF recently ... 8) :D ... EDIT: umm ...well ... a mock up at least ... :oops:

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http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=5287&highlight=koef

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Postby JT Previa » Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:55 am

The bumblebee version because:

The curved roof and tumblehome of the lower cab make it look like it was draped/hung over the rectangular black engine/chassis section like a pair of saddlebags. The low windows pull the eye down.

The way the yellow painted cab goes to the bottom of the loco, (also evident ont the brown/red engine) again, overlapping he black chassis

Periscope lights.

Rusty outrigger platform between cab and front buffers.

Air tank at the bridge of the nose.

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Postby underworld » Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:53 am

David, the Köf locos are the ultimate in low rider cabs!!! I see you've been propper bitten by the werkbahn site!!!! :twisted: Haha....actually I thought werkbahn was your home page and those were all of the critters that you built!!!!!


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Postby dieselwater » Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:41 am

They're a pretty mean lookin' ride :twisted:

I think I'll have to do some ordering of bits n bobs from Sidelines, for this project to really get gnoing. The bits I have are not going to be easy to use. I only have a basic controller from Fleischmen. So I don't know if it can control at slow enough speeds. Much still to ponder :?
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Postby mad gerald » Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:04 am

JT,

JT Previa wrote:
(Gerald, another cool CAD model!)


it's no CAD-drawn model .... it is hand drawn, rendered and coloured, using MS PowerPoint® (because of not having a CAD software and/or knowledge) ... printed on card board and glued together for proportion check - the styrene version is on hold ...

In case of interest, you might visit my website ...

http://www.gerald-maass.de/?page_id=39

or the corresponding wokshop (unfortunately in german only) I did on the Buntbahn Forum ...

http://www.buntbahn.de/modellbau/viewtopic.php?t=7856&highlight=powerpoint

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Postby Chrisp » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:34 pm

Thanks for the link to werkbahn.de - I've died and gone to critter heaven!

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Postby Trevor Coburn » Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:43 pm

And heres one I built earlier, (0 scale/1:45) its not much bigger than the Magic-Train lok.
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Postby Will Vale » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:21 am

If you're looking for shape inspiration the NS 200 class or Sik is very attractive:

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Image from Wikipedia by "Mauritsvink". Public domain.

Several were modified with HIAB cranes mounted on the rear deck (behind the cab) which look pretty cool - see here:

http://www.nicospilt.com/stichtinglocomotor.htm

And to quote Alexei Sayle in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade "I even like the colour." NS yellow-grey is surely one of the all-time great liveries?

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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:09 am

Cab roof overhang and running boards are appealing 8)
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Postby Korschtal » Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:57 am

Will Vale wrote:Image
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What are those big levers on the side for?
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Postby chris69 » Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:42 am

Hi,
the one with the weight on it looks like a WURFHEBEL BREMSE,loosely translated a brake operated bey throwing a weighted lever..The pedal could be its release.........

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Postby Will Vale » Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:36 am

From what I understand the weighted lever is a self-acting brake, which is used for general braking and fine control when shunting, and the foot pedal provides an additional brake for faster stops. The Siks were designed for one man working - they were fitted with automatic couplers (since removed) and the brakes, reverser and sanding controls are duplicated on both sides as well as in the cab.

Disclaimer: My book and Wikipedia were in Dutch so no guarantees of correctness above!

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Postby mad gerald » Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:26 am

Hi all,

I guess this shunter is build by Schwarzkopff (Berlin) / Oersik and comparable to this one, already available as a model:

http://www.blauturm.de/product_info.php?info=p148_Rangierlok-Schwarzkopff---Oersik.html

Korschtal wrote:What are those big levers on the side for?


These shunters were - as Will wrote - made for one man shunting, with the possibility for operate it standing on the outside, as can be seen on the pics of that model linked above ...

... here's another nice one:
http://www.buntbahn.de/modellbau/viewtopic.php?t=6500

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Postby Pandy » Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:28 am

Gerald, I rather like that Henschel, the cab looks more like it was designed by an artist, very distinctive all round and the model caprtures it perfectly.
Will, really like the Hiab equipped NS 200 locos, got ideas here for a permanent way vehicle with a Hiab and we have yet another unfinished project in a smaller scale with a Hiab, a most useful bit of kit to have attached to any loco or road vehicle.
More inspiration, aaaaargh ! :roll: :)
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Postby dieselwater » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:55 am

The cab looks very distinctive. The combination of the crane would make it a good candidate for the Snowflake Challenge... nah I'm not tempted... all those levers... but you never Know... :wink: :lol:
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Postby underworld » Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:33 am

mad gerald

That Henschel lok is smokin' cool!!!!! 8) 8) 8)
I think the distinctive cab is what really sets it off.


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Postby Chrisp » Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:55 pm

Here's a link to an interesting incline that might work on a vertically layered layout. Taken in Cincinatti, OH in 1904:

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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:03 pm

Chrisp wrote:Here's a link to an interesting incline that might work on a vertically layered layout. Taken in Cincinatti, OH in 1904:

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It gets this
http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/4a11633a.jpg Page not found.
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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:06 pm

On a wild whim, took last "a" off of http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/4a11633a.jpg to make http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/4a11633.jpg, that gets a page.

On that page is this http://www.shorpy.com/node/7545
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Postby dieselwater » Mon May 17, 2010 9:44 am

Just to say I haven't given up the ghost on this project. I'm thinking of building this model in a container. This will have a floor plan of about A3.
I'm probably going to abandon the traverser idea for now :oops: , and have a drop shoot from the top tier to the bottom. The reason for the change is because I've seen this building in one of my modelling books that I want to adapt. Well it'll probably be easier for me to model :roll: :wink: :lol:

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Postby ed » Mon May 17, 2010 6:53 pm

mad gerald wrote:Hi all,

I guess this shunter is build by Schwarzkopff (Berlin) / Oersik and comparable to this one, already available as a model:

http://www.blauturm.de/product_info.php?info=p148_Rangierlok-Schwarzkopff---Oersik.html

Korschtal wrote:What are those big levers on the side for?


These shunters were - as Will wrote - made for one man shunting, with the possibility for operate it standing on the outside, as can be seen on the pics of that model linked above ...

... here's another nice one:
http://www.buntbahn.de/modellbau/viewtopic.php?t=6500


They have never ran with the single buffer!!

http://nulspoor.blogspot.com/2008/04/oersik-in-styreen.html

on this site you can get them in card:

http://www.papertrains.nl/

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