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Postby dieselwater » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:13 pm

Here's a link to some more pics from the INGR site:

http://www.ingr.co.uk/faring.html
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Postby rockershovel » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:01 pm

you would want a JCB tractor-shovel type machine, any 360 tracked excavator of the right sort of scale would be far too big
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Postby mud magnet » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:20 pm

A great start :D
I like the size of the buildings and the sloping bank. It does lend itself to being viewed from all sides.
Looking forward to seeing this progress. :D
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Postby altterrain » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:16 pm

Very nice! I hope to get back to my project soon. Been too busy working with snow!!! :x

Getting another foot on top of this today-

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Postby Charlie Stewart » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:22 pm

Thank You to everyone for the "heads-up" its nice to know some things just dont change.... also thanks to EVERYONE who helped with the design of a works sign..i have lots to go at now...

great ideas for diggers..but i'm still favouring Barry's it seems more "dated/old fashioned" ??... so if anyone knows where he lives and what time he leaves his house :D :D ??....hehehehehehe......

Today i have done some samples of "wet" mud and reeds/grass etc... but they are still drying so piccies laters...

.. also i have fitted a Kadee magnet so that now means your'e gonna have to suffer ANOTHER video :shock: :shock: .... hahahaha...

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PS I know its a little "hurried" but didnt want to take up LOADS of your valuable modelling time :D
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Postby Glen A » Wed Feb 10, 2010 9:46 pm

Driff_Charlie wrote:
.. also i have fitted a Kadee magnet so that now means your'e gonna have to suffer ANOTHER video :shock: :shock: .... hahahaha...



Nice shunting, especially the pushing part once uncoupled.
I tried pushing with the bachmann EZ mate II couplings (I think that is the name of them) which are supposed to be the same as the Kadee ones. But it didn't look like it was going to work that reliably; mine seemed to just recouple again.
After seeing your results, I am wondering if I should try again, or maybe fit some genuine kadees?

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Postby Charlie Stewart » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:01 pm

Glen, the loco in the video is using the bachmann couplings and the rolling stock is genuine Kadee. the key is adjustment of the curved pin, it really does make all the difference and is worth spending LOTS of time on doing as it will pay rewards later. I have a video somewhere of some more involved shunting on my old 0-16.5 layout once again using a mix of bachmann & kadee..i will post a link once i dig it out...

.. keep persevering ( ?sp) it is worth it in my view,

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Postby Charlie Stewart » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:07 pm

Glen, here you go for more "Kadee" shunting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_h8qeAHaIo

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Postby Charlie Stewart » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:27 pm

does this look reasonable????

at the weekend I spotted this in a toy shop, at a reasonable £8 I thought it worth a go?... no mention of scale but here in the piccy's with a figure included it looks ok to me, the cab door is just less than the height of a figure, but seems reasonable, the bucket on the other hand seems a little on the big side though??. will probably fill the gap in the vain of " it will do till something better comes along" ???

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Postby Oztrainz » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:51 pm

Are hungry boards for the flat tops a possibility???
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Postby Charlie Stewart » Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:22 pm

Oztrainz wrote:Are hungry boards for the flat tops a possibility???


a worthwhile consideration :D , but i am actually awaiting a slaters' order for some of their hudson skips

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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:32 pm

Driff_Charlie wrote:the bucket on the other hand seems a little on the big side though??.

Yes and no. It is different depending on angle of photos.
Over the wagons it looks a bit big proportionally.
It does look like an average standard size bucket on the end of boom.
Would the works owners spend money ordering smaller bucket or just tell the operator to think it through or get fired?
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Postby Glen A » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:27 am

Well, since you asked;
The main thing is the top of the digger looks so much higher than the loco cab.
I'd put the digger down in a 'hole', make a bit of ground at a lower level than the track. This would make the height difference less obvious.

I'd also maybe look at reducing the height of the cab on the digger; possibly even an open cab, with just a roll cage on the top.
This would further reduce the height difference.

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Postby DCRfan » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:49 am

Driff_Charlie wrote:does this look reasonable????

at the weekend I spotted this in a toy shop, at a reasonable £8 I thought it worth a go?... no mention of scale but here in the piccy's with a figure included it looks ok to me, the cab door is just less than the height of a figure, but seems reasonable, the bucket on the other hand seems a little on the big side though??. will probably fill the gap in the vain of " it will do till something better comes along" ???

comments welcome??

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Nice excavator. This link is a pdf of the tech spec for that model. It includes a drawing and dimensions so you can work out the scale. Note I will be revisiting this thread to check that you work out the scale :P :lol: :lol:

http://www.volvo.com/NR/rdonlyres/2A45A2C0-232C-4282-ADC2-792EEDBC9CF1/0/SpecSheet_ECR58Plus_ECR88Plus_EU_EN_2134321188_200909.pdf
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Postby greengiant » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:51 am

I got one of these a few months ago at TK-Max for £7.99.
Looking at the specification PDF this scales out as near as dam it to 1/24th.
I bought mine to make a mini digger in 1/19th with a new scratch built cab.

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Postby Charlie Stewart » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:45 am

Glen, some great ideas, thanks. Yes i thought the machine looked too "bulky" high-up, a stepped level of ground is quite "do-able" thats why i built it on 2" thick foam !!!, i like the idea of an open cab it would fit more with the scene in general, but also the machine would blend far better with a real good dose of "dirtying/muddying-up"???

hahahaha @ Paul :D :D :D , seems like Martin's done the maths for me...... love this forum eh???

Martin thanks for the info although i obviously paid over the odds at Toymaster when i paid £8.00 for it...hahahahahaha :D :D :D

Right now to look for piccies of an "open-top" mini-excavator

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Postby dieselwater » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:07 am

Open top would be really nice. You could stick a load of clutter in the cab, such as tools, lunch box etc. Maybe a ripped tarp drapped over some of the body too 8) A good dose of weathering will always do the trick. Gnice model.
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Postby Glen A » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:53 pm

Driff_Charlie wrote:Right now to look for piccies of an "open-top" mini-excavator
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The small 1.8 tonne diggers have open cab, which you could use as a basis for the design.
I put "1.8 tonne digger" into goggle images:
http://images.google.co.nz/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=1.8+tonne+digger&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=

And got these results, (plus some more):

http://www.nationwideplant.co.uk/images/category/img_78_1.8%20tonne%20excavator.jpg

http://www.hirethings.co.nz/photo/image/3444/large/digger2.jpg

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Postby Charlie Stewart » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:44 pm

Taking on board advice of "lowering" the digger into a hole etc... I took a saw to the landscape and cut another level for the excavator to stand on

How's this??

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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:01 pm

Oh yes, that works :D
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Postby Glen A » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:12 am

Hi Charlie

That looks much better!
In fact I wouldn't bother about changing the digger cab at all now.
It looks great just the way it is. 8)

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Postby Charlie Stewart » Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:25 am

Cheers Guys, just shows what a small difference can make to the whole scene eh???

and once again shows how effective/useful this forum & your fellow member's can be .....

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Postby Bilco » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:30 pm

Hi Charlie - that digger works well in the lower location. I can see that the skidder wouldn't cope with those conditions - is the digger the Motor Zone item? I agree with Glen - don't change it, just give it a good muddying!
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Postby Charlie Stewart » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:32 pm

Bilco wrote:Hi Charlie - that digger works well in the lower location. I can see that the skidder wouldn't cope with those conditions - is the digger the Motor Zone item? I agree with Glen - don't change it, just give it a good muddying!


Yep Bill it is the Motor Zone item I think you did link to it earlier???,Thank You, I got it from "Toymaster"

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Postby Charlie Stewart » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:46 pm

well my Slaters order arrived today :D :D , so i now have Hudson skips to further the scene....

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... pretty pleased with these skips, seems to look the part???

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