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Discovering new techniques

Postby NarrowGauge » Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:47 pm

The great thing about being part of model train club or forum is that you get to try out new idea and techniques.

The postings of members models and layouts seems to... (well to me anyway) have a strong British influence in their architecture compared to most of the models I see around here.
For example building are always make of corrugated iron that is rusting away. This is understandable as most of the building that I would see for an hour in every direction from my house (I live in rural Queensland, Australia) are made this way, also the colour of trees and grass always have that burnt, dry look as does our countryside.
So seeing other members models is always refreshing. Having said that I thought that I'd give some new techniques and building styles a try. Below is my result.

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Details of the gate.
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While wooden gates are not unheard off here the wire or mesh gate a way more common.
I also decided to use some brass tubing and flat brass off cuts which were scarp to make some working hinges.
The bolts are HO/OO scale Peco track pins.
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also the gate latch made from brass bits. Sadly it is not a working latch, this one is just for show.

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Then finally the building facade at the back. I wanted to try some different ideas for brickwork. The last time I went in to town I stopped at the only art supplies place we have for just a look around. I ended picking up a bag of "Matte Board" off-cuts. These boards, depending on their colour were between 1.5 and 2 mm thick They were very easy to cut up and left a nice clear edged finish. I cut up about 20, 3mm wide stripes with my balsa stripper then chopped them into 9mm long "bricks" and glued them onto a backing board. To replicate the damaged bricks I cut some egg carton into the same size as by bricks as attached them the same way. I'm yet to give the wall a coat of paint or weathering to tie them all together but so far I feel that it was well worth the effort to just try some new ideas.

Yes I know the bricks on the fence post are out of scale and that colour is way off. I think that I'll redo the fence's brick post using the same type of bricks as used on the building
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Postby JackBlack » Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:54 pm

Some nice work you've done there NarrowGauge. I'll be watching this space. :D :D
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Postby underworld » Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:39 am

Nice matte board brick work and ice lolly gate!!! 8) The post "bricks" aren't necessarily out of scale.....they look like cut stone to me. That look and color of stone is pretty common on older structures and buildings in the midwest US states. Don't know about Australia though. :wink: I like the look myself. 8)


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Postby gfadvance » Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:22 am

Tess,

neat tip on mixing the egg carton card with the plain to give the effect of damaged bricks - filed away for future use!

Out of interest how did you do the building design I can see printed on the backing where you have stuck the bricks on?
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Postby Willow Creek Traction » Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:57 am

Hey, now that's developing some atmosphere :D
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Postby NarrowGauge » Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:12 am

gfadvance wrote:Tess,

... Out of interest how did you do the building design I can see printed on the backing where you have stuck the bricks on?


I created my template of brickwork and windows etc using Corel Draw which I printed out on normal paper then glued it on some thicker cardboard.

One thing that you can't see in the photos is that the my cardboard curled.
Curled badly in fact, so for me to take the photo's it had to be held in place with weights. I think that I should have glued it to some formcore instead or maybe brace it at the back. But having said that I did only create this as an experiment.
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Postby Bilco » Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:57 am

Very Gnifty, Tess! The Matte Board looks to be a good surface for bricks - if you must insist on laying individual bricks instead of using brick-paper :roll: As you say, there are lots of techniques to be found here on the Gnatterbox that are well worth trying out. I do like the hinge and latch on the gate, too!
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Postby skylon » Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:23 am

Nice little scene. Good tip on the hinges as well, tempting!
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Postby NarrowGauge » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:53 pm

Bilco wrote:... if you must insist on laying individual bricks instead of using brick-paper ...


Where do most of you get good quality / realistic looking brick paper suitable for G Scale ?

* Download it from a commercial site and Print it yourself ?
* Purchase pre-printed sheets?
* Take your own photos, clean them up and print it yourself?
* or take the same photo and get then printed professionally (Laser Quality)?

I am really interested in what other modelers do here
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Postby chris krupa » Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:37 am

I use embossed plastic sheet which I imagine is intended for dolls house use since there is probably not enough G scale modelling done to justify production for our purposes. I get mine either from Maple Street Miniatures or 4D Model Shop. For very large scale use I find brick papers lack relief and that is important for me. Although the embossed sheet is produced in a brick red colour, I always paint and weather it and colour it to suit the environment, since bricks come in a variety of colours including white, yellow and blue. Pictures of mine in use can be found wherever Matthews Corner has been photographed.

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Postby KEG » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:25 am

Hi,

Very often I am quite happy with Precision Products for brick and stonewalls in larger scales.

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http://www.appliedimaginationinc.com/precision_products/plastic_veneer_sheets1200.html

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Postby Adrian » Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:20 pm

G'day Tess

I have just started to use 'MODEL BUILDER' by 'Evan's Designs'.

A program that allows you to 'build' a building and then print it out in a number of scales between Z and G in the form of a card 'cut-out'.

It has a number of brick/stone/timber patterns that can be used as well as a number of doors and windows that can be placed anywhere on the walls.

The brickwork looks good although it has no actual 'texture' of course......but the drawing tools really need a lot to get them to work well.

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Postby Bilco » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:57 pm

Hi Tess,

There have been several threads about brick papers on this Forum. This one led to several useful links - http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=3819

Steve Bennett used brick paper on Vanguard Works - http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?p=25836#25836 and Simplicity Sidings - http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=4419 both with excellent results.

I used some I downloaded from CG Textures in Wood Bros Ltd - http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=4398 The CG Textures site is at http://www.cgtextures.com/ and has lots of things to delight!

I have seen some people get a little extra texture by embossing the horizontal lines after sticking the brick paper onto card.

Hope this helps.
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Postby NarrowGauge » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:51 am

Thanks Bilco for all those links.

I read through these very helpful threads, even following the additional links listed. One of which sent me to the 'Brick & Tile' Site http://www.bricksntiles.com/

What a cool program, best of all it's FREE.
Below is a quick sample that I printed out and glued onto some foam-core.
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I also following the advice of my fellow Gn'ers and used a burnishing tool in the mortar line to really emphasize the 3D effect.

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I think even close up this method is great, despite my poor quality photo taking skills. I'll most certainly be giving the brick by brick construction method the flick.
Unless of course it really, really ........ really needs it.
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Postby michael » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:56 am

I printed out on normal paper then glued it on some thicker cardboard.

One thing that you can't see in the photos is that the my cardboard curled.


Tess a little trick to help prevent the card from warping is to glue some of the same thickness paper on the backside of the card at the same time as the material on the front. What this does is to keep the stresses in the lamination even.
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Postby PeterH » Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:27 am

NarrowGauge wrote: my cardboard curled


Card & paper absorb water and expand quickly, then try to contract again as they dry out and the glue cures => stresses inside the lamination => curling (now or later). A thikcer core might not help. Another problem I have had is the paper buckling when the glue wets it.

To avoid all this, use one of the many not-waterbased glues that work fine on paper & card: polyurethane, standard construction adhesive, solvent-based glues like UHU (however each have their disadvantages).The first time I laminated paper to card (no backing paper) and it didn't show a sign of warping was like a miracle to me.

If you really want to use PVA, there is information describing how to do it, often aimed at bookbinders. I have 'Books, Boxes and Portfolios' by Franz Zeier. This has many techniques to help ensure a happy outcome (including gluing the paper on the back). But I think it is impossible to have no warping. I would do my best, then reinforce the back.
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Postby Bilco » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:18 am

Hi Tess,

You certainly achieved good results very quickly with the brick paper! I'm glad the links helped. Steve used PVA to stick down his brick paper, and shows the technique in the Simplicity Sidings thread. I used spray photomount adhesive (the permanent, not the repositionable) for the backscene and brickwork on Wood Bros, which didn't cause any distortion of the paper or card.

Just to show what can be achieved with individual bricks, look at Marcel Ackle's work here http://www.buntbahn.de/modellbau/viewtopic.php?t=8882 and here http://www.feldbahn-modellbau.ch/

I fear I don't have the time/patience/skill/eyesight to achieve anything like that, so whatever makes life easy works for me :roll:
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