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Postby Glen A » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:01 pm

Even though its not finished, there is still plenty of details to look at.
Well done on your comments from the show.

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Postby Tomo » Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:27 am

It deserves to be noticed!

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:15 am

Many thanks guys. From the public response anyone building their own W&Gn15 layout will be onto a winner. Glen I recall that you bought some W&G figures - now that you've completed that superb Xmas carousel what's keeping you :?: :lol:

Since Gromit came back from the Highlands he's been very restless. He saw two Spinone dogs with their German owners as he disembarked from the Isle of Skye Ferry.
Must have fired him up as he's come up with a ridiculous scheme to water the Rivets; as you can imagine Wallace is involved and he doesn't look too keen.
On the other hand Gromit may not have got over the thrills of piloting a Glider in the Peak District whilst looking for the Parasol Rivets.
Here's the photos he took:

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OOoooops!

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Postby Glen A » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:53 am

Gerry Bullock wrote:Many thanks guys. From the public response anyone building their own W&Gn15 layout will be onto a winner. Glen I recall that you bought some W&G figures - now that you've completed that superb Xmas carousel what's keeping you :?: :lol:


Err...Space.
Got to clear enough space in the garage to shoe-horn the xmas layout out of the way before I can start something else. :roll: (the xmas layout isn't really finished, but why finish something when you can start something new :twisted: )
My wife keeps reminding me about the G scale railcar I promised to build her (only a mere 8 years ago. Geez - some people are so impatient :lol: ). But how can I work on that when my mind is full of possible ideas for W & G? I daren’t mention any of them, or Adrian will just give me 40 more ideas :lol:

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:18 am

Look forward to your W&Gn15 Glen, we all know what to expect aGnother great layout.
I won't keep you in suspense - this is what Gromit came up with albeit it's moved on from this part mock-up since then; even more way out however I'm unable to show how far-fetched as I Gneed materials and components that won't be available until month end. :(

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Postby Glen A » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:22 pm

:shock: Wow.
Thats a fairly significant size structure!
Look forward to seeing more in due course.

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Postby Adrian » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:23 am

G'day Glen
My wife keeps reminding me about the G scale railcar I promised to build her __/////__ or Adrian will just give me 40 more ideas

Sorry, too late ____ but only one idea, not 40 ___ why not build a W & G style 'G' scale railcar ???
That way the good lady will be kept happy and the 'W & G' itch will be scratched.
Two birds/one stone. :D

Gerry, I am intrigued with the 'waterer'. Looks like the start of an X-Y plotter. I assume that you have a good supply of those decal rivet heads ?
Being a Wallace type device you will certainly need them.
(Thought ! ------ What do you water rivets with ? Water ? WD40 ? Singer sewing machine oil ? )
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Postby Blackcloud Railways » Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:19 am

Adrian wrote:(Thought ! ------ What do you water rivets with ? Water ? WD40 ? Singer sewing machine oil ? )

The rivets seen growing wild in the Peak District will be watered with the wettest rain known to man, having been brought up in Glossop I am well inured to the stuff. :roll:

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:05 pm

Adrian wrote:G'day Glen

Gerry, I am intrigued with the 'waterer'. Looks like the start of an X-Y plotter. I assume that you have a good supply of those decal rivet heads ?
Being a Wallace type device you will certainly need them.
(Thought ! ------ What do you water rivets with ? Water ? WD40 ? Singer sewing machine oil ? )
Cheers

Hi Adrian,
On Saturday August 4th in reply to Tomo I explained that Wallace's Rivets were watered with Rivorite (What else :?: :lol: ) which all Rivet growers use. :roll:
The machine has already been designed, some components obtained the rest arrive month end. :wink:
I guess a box containing bottles of Rivorite might just be one of them. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Gerry Bullock » Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:33 pm

No mention of any layouts, however this photo illustrating Show leaves no doubt :?: about the subject matter. :wink:
http://www.biggleswadetoday.co.uk/news/ ... -1-4363580
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Postby Glen A » Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:59 pm

Gerry Bullock wrote:No mention of any layouts, however this photo illustrating Show leaves no doubt :?: about the subject matter. :wink:
http://www.biggleswadetoday.co.uk/news/ ... -1-4363580


Well done Gerry!

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:53 pm

Glen A wrote:
Gerry Bullock wrote:No mention of any layouts, however this photo illustrating Show leaves no doubt :?: about the subject matter. :wink:
http://www.biggleswadetoday.co.uk/news/ ... -1-4363580


Well done Gerry!


Thanks Glen.
Here's another taster of what's to come. :wink:

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No H&S here, well Gromit is incapable of reading the BUMF. :lol:
The track will be 009, purchased today and will be automated.
As the Parasol Rivets are highly sensitive to over watering - they suffer from mould build up on the stems- the automation will be restricted; one session every 15 minutes so if the Rivet Counters miss one they'll have to come back. :twisted:
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Postby Adrian » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:58 pm

G'day Gerry

Looking good :D Well done with the local press coverage :!:

Waiting to see how you automate the loading of the Rivorite and how you dispense it over the rivets :?:

By the way, what does the 'underground' sign say ? (it's not too clear on my screen)

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Postby Artizen » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:18 am

The underground sign says "Mind the Gap".

Will they be growing Air Rivets (the ones that float through the sky)?
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Postby Gerry Bullock » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:41 am

Adrian wrote:G'day Gerry

Looking good :D Well done with the local press coverage :!:

Waiting to see how you automate the loading of the Rivorite and how you dispense it over the rivets :?:

By the way, what does the 'underground' sign say ? (it's not too clear on my screen)

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As it was a local show to raise money for the Hall's roof and W&G was only tabletop layout I guess the photographer reporter saw the impact two kids would make. Just luck really.

The Rivorite watering system will be 'Wacky' is all I'm saying at the moment Adrian. :wink:

As Ian posted - yes 'Mind the Gap' is Gromit's only concession to H&S :!:
Strange that you should mention 'float through the sky' Ian.
No not rivets; W&G aficionados will know what I mean. :twisted:
Just one problem, without sky-hooks, I can't see how to achieve it.
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Postby Tomo » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:59 pm

Gerry Bullock wrote:
The Rivorite watering system will be 'Wacky' is all I'm saying at the moment Adrian. :wink:



"Wacky?" Please do!

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Postby Glen A » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:07 pm

Gerry Bullock wrote: the automation will be restricted; one session every 15 minutes so if the Rivet Counters miss one they'll have to come back. :twisted:


:shock: WOW. That really is looking good.

With the automation, it might be a good idea to have a manual override or a push button to manually start it.
This can be very useful for testing to sort out a problem, ( like loco reluctant to start or something).

And you never know when you might want to run it - e.g. for a newspaper photographer :wink:

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Postby Adrian » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:56 pm

G'day Gerry

I guess the photographer reporter saw the impact two kids would make. Just luck really.
Don't put yourself down ---- it was the quality of the layout ---- you made your own luck :D

Glen wrote:
With the automation, it might be a good idea to have a manual override or a push button to manually start it.
This can be very useful for testing to sort out a problem, ( like loco reluctant to start or something).
I totally agree and would add that you could also put a button out the front so that 'kiddies' and frustrated rivet counters could get their 'fix'.
Just be sure to include a delay somewhere to avoid the poor little loco running 24/7.

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Postby Tomo » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:55 am

The harvesting the rivets and then loading them into a car parked on the track would be needed too. I understand that rivets do require speedy transport to market or they go bad very quickly.

To prevent their going bad... and bad rivets are awful... transfer to a refrigerated car might be necessary after transport by a dump car... A small warehouse might be useful for transferring of the Rivet crop too...

Who knew rivets were such an industry?

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Postby Adrian » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:00 am

G'day Gerry
Was just browsing the web and I found this:-
http://www.mindsetsonline.co.uk/product ... cts_id=748

Plastic Rivets :D :shock: :shock: :shock: :!: :!: :!:

Probably not what you, or Wallace, want but interesting all the same.
And they probably won't rust either.

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Postby Glen A » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:37 am

Adrian wrote:
Glen wrote:
With the automation, it might be a good idea to have a manual override or a push button to manually start it.
This can be very useful for testing to sort out a problem, ( like loco reluctant to start or something).
I totally agree and would add that you could also put a button out the front so that 'kiddies' and frustrated rivet counters could get their 'fix'.


Gerry's idea was for it to only run occasionally.
And as soon as you put any start control on the public side you need to build a whole lot of safety checks into the logic to stop little kids actively trying to destroy it. Often not worth the effort.
:twisted: I'd keep the control out the back :wink:

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Postby Tomo » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:14 am

A control panel that looks to have been created by Wallace himself that operates... nothing.

All these ideas might make it onto other folks layouts at some point!

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:36 pm

Thanks for all the suggestions Guys, I'll reply to them in turn:

The auto watering control system Glen is already designed and built and will be lifted straight from Gneiss Cider, I just need new connectors on the W&G layout. Can be switched on & off at will.

This layout won't have any buttons for the Kiddies to push Adrian, there will be something much better now I've sussed out how to engineer the Sky-hooks. :wink: :lol: They'll be queuing to have a go :!:
I've abandoned the Laser gun for Feathers as I think what I now will have is better - much more visual. :twisted:

No unloading/loading Tomo the inverted 8 runs 24/7 unless Hand-of-God changes Rolling Stock. However one corner might just feature this:

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Originally intended for Gem-U-Nine which has taken a back seat as result of W&G.
Not sure whether it's for Rivorite or Cheese and Cream Crackers as yet.

Wallace was appalled when he heard that someone was suggesting the cultivation of Plastic Rivets, I think I heard him mention "Plebs" grow them. :lol: :lol:

Finally the placement of a control panel that does nothing is a great idea Tomo, consider it built - it will, of course incorporate flashing lights - it might even Buzz. :arrow: :idea: 8)
How's that for a load of hot air :?: :twisted:
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Postby Glen A » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:43 pm

Hi Gerry,
That cart was a great find. Was it sold as a 1/24 accessory, or something that you found that just happened to be the right size?

Don't you just love it how everyone on this group feels like they have the right to design your layout. :roll:

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:26 pm

that cart looks like the old Britains metal model, 1/32 scale but looks great with Wallace.
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