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Postby RobM » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:06 am

Hi to all,

I'm relatively new here (only joined last week but have been looking in for a while) and was looking for some tips and inspiration. Currently I have a number of 16mm scale locos and rollingstock that are taking up room on a required shelf in our lounge. I have been granted a shelf inside my wife's covered display cabinet.

I would like to display everything on a long narrow diorama. I'm thinking of putting two gauges on here - one is 32mm gauge and the other 16.5mm gauge (both 16mm scale). I'm wondering what everyone thinks of having the 32mm gauge track running along the front with the 16.5mm gauge on a slightly raised (40-50mm higher) 'gallery' running parallel behind it. It could possibly be a sort of loading dock(maybe with crane), to load the minumum gauge mine cars onto the narrow gauge wagons.

I really want to try out my diorama skills (which I haven't done for years!) on this one and would really appreciate any tips anyone can give me for scratchbuilding everything apart from track, which I all ready have. I have a large and varied bits box from which to scrounge materials! :D

If anyones has any display track dioramas they can post pics of for inspiration I would be very grateful.

Many thanks

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Postby chris stockdale » Mon Oct 29, 2012 11:42 am

Rob,

I recommend Dieselwater's little layouts, particularly this one

http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=7368

for inspiration.

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Postby RobM » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:57 pm

Hi Chris,

That is certainly a fine layout with lots of thought provoking detail, thanks for pointing me to that and (hopefully) getting the ball rolling for more inspiration/tips to come sleeting in!
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Postby chris stockdale » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:59 pm

Rob,

Of course, if you haven't done it already dive into the Virtual Exhibition section - but be warned - it's so good we may not see you again for some time...

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Postby RobM » Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:14 am

Good Morning..or afternoon/evening/night (delete as appropriate for your neck of the woods!)

A start has been made! Last night I braved the garden in the dark and rain (made even more dangerous as i had only let the dog out to attend to nature a little while before hand and he's a crafty one for hiding 'presents' right on the path so you only find them by 'finding' them!!! :shock: ), battled the overgrowing triffid like buddlia that stands guard over the shed door and retreived that bit of polystyrene thats been in there for years 'waiting' for the right project.

Some minor polystyrene surgery later I now have a basic base to start on. It's about 550mm long, 250mm wide (front to back) and without any back scene/fence/wall about 60mm high. The rear minimum gauge gallery is about 40mm above than the narrow gauge.

Any thoughts on what to use as a retaining wall for the upper gallery?

Hopefully I'll get a pic up tomorrow.

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Postby RobM » Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:21 am

Sorry, forgot to say thankyou Chris. Your right i did get lost in the virtual exhibition last night, lots of amazing modelling :D
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Bricks!

Postby RobM » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:18 am

Hi all

another starnge question again;

What are the average dimensions of a brick?

I'm thinking of having the 'gallery' of my display held back by a brick retaining wall and would love to have a go at building it 'properly'. Time consuming I know but its something I have fancied doing for a while so thaought I'd combine it into this project.

I intend to make moulds for the bricks (probably a lattice work of intelocking metal strips (i have access to a cnc machine so these will be quick and easy to make. I will then force my brick material into the mould, heat or let dry depending on what i use. I should then just be able to shake the latttice work apart to free the bricks... oh best laid plans and all that :roll: :lol:

Any thoughts?
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Postby Artizen » Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:08 pm

Wonderful! Another madman on the Gnatterbox!

So I have only done 26,000 bricks so far. Allow yourself around four weeks to pour the bricks and allow them to dry. Allow yourself around two weeks to design the walls. Allow yourself between four and six weeks to construct.

Have fun!

Brick sizes - http://www.hintsandthings.co.uk/workshop/bricks.htm

Here is a photo of the main building on my layout done with individual bricks in 1:24 scale (during construction) -

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Here is a photo of the main building with weathering and in position -

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Here is a closeup photo of the finished waiting room at Bramble Bottom (with mortar) -

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Postby RobM » Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:00 pm

Wow :shock:

Stunning buildings! Not sure I have the patience that you obviously possess but having seen what you have done I cetainly feel more confident that this is achievable.

Nice to see the stig (and the stig) and mario enjoying your handiwork :lol:
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Postby matjdelo » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:28 pm

I like the figure of the man with the beer ! Which brand it is ?

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Postby Artizen » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:22 pm

The man with the beer is called Norm (after my father who was also a bricklayer). My father was teetotal though.

If the beer has a brand, it would have to be Monteiths from the West Coast of NZ!!!
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Re: Bricks!

Postby Steve Bennett » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:35 am

RobM wrote:I intend to make moulds for the bricks (probably a lattice work of intelocking metal strips (i have access to a cnc machine so these will be quick and easy to make. I will then force my brick material into the mould, heat or let dry depending on what i use. I should then just be able to shake the latttice work apart to free the bricks... oh best laid plans and all that :roll: :lol:

Any thoughts?


Depends how much you enjoy the process of producing your own mould?
It may be worth looking at the one from Jigstones which is available from Back2Bay6 fourth one up from the bottom of the page.

Here is mine with a few bricks to illustrate what it produces:

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Quite time consuming to build up a stock, but I guess that could be said for most methods of making individual bricks :)
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Postby Artizen » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:23 pm

I made my own brick moulds but here are a couple of commercial examples -

http://www.dioramadebris.co.uk/116-scale-moulds-2-c.asp
http://www.hirstarts.com/molds/moldsgoth.html
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Postby JeffSaxton » Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:50 pm

Would it be extremely lazy to just use PEZ candies as bricks? LOL
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Postby RobM » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:39 pm

I'd have to fight my daughters for the pez first, then resist the urge to sit there playing with the novelty dispenser, then resist the urge to eat them rather than use them on the diorama!!! :lol:

I actually have my mold (knocked it up at work), I have gone for a breeze block size for a trial. I'll hve a go at pouring some tonight and let you know how it goes other wise I might well be looking at some of those commercial molds, thanks for the links.
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Postby RobM » Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:25 am

Hi again,

A little progress! I have made some bricks, strangley first batch came out of mold better than the second but still got enough to make the retaining wall (including some of the cracked/broken bricks will add a nice bit of extra detail me thinks :wink: ).

I have a new motor chassis wing its way to me from evil bay- its a lima U.S switcher 0-4-0 loco (missing tender), cost a grand total of £3.99.

Any suggestions (pics/drawings please! :lol: ) of what to do with it when it arrives, obviously I'll still be working in 16mm scale on 16.5 gauge track.

If it's any helps I have some thoughts :idea: on the back story of my line;

I'm thinking that it should be set late 1950's early 60's (to be in keeping with my Dad's 32mm gauge garden railway). The railway is on a country estate that has a small coal mine but is owned by a Lord who also has an interest in narrow gauge steam and so has extended the line to fulfill his passion of running steam locos on the estate.


I have had a look at the fairbourne light railway and love the size of the locos and rollingstock running on this 12 3/4 inch line ('Sherpa' has really taken my fancy as a 1/2 scale darjeeling class B).

With this in mind has anybody any thoughts on what locos and rolling stock milord could be hurtling round his estate on!?!
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Postby Artizen » Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:39 am

Perhaps you should be hurtling around the estate in one of these!!!!

http://www.7-8ths.info/index.php?topic=16680518.0

But scroll down for another one.
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Postby RobM » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:57 pm

Hi,

Thanks for the link, unfortunately I don't have access and it won't let me in :cry: !
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Postby chris stockdale » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:59 pm

Rob,

It doesn't take long to sign up :D

And the Lounge is nearly as dangerous as the Gnatterbox for luring you in...:lol:


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Postby Gerry Bullock » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:33 pm

Chris Stockdale wrote:Rob,

It doesn't take long to sign up :D

And the Lounge is nearly as dangerous as the Gnatterbox for luring you in...:lol:


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Which is why I refuse to join. :lol:

RobM wrote:Hi again,

With this in mind has anybody any thoughts on what locos and rolling stock milord could be hurtling round his estate on!?!


You might get a few replies Rob, BUT why wait when you can peruse the Loco Shed where the are 135 entries featuring over 150 Locos already constructed by Gnatterboxers. If you can't find one there. :wink:
So little time, so many ideas!!!!! GerryB.
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Postby RobM » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:42 pm

I have been looking through the loco shed and there is indeed a lot of inspiration, I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas perhaps not attempted or from 'real' world (and not just tied to the UK, afterall Sherpa that I mentioned earlier is a 1/2 scale indian loco originally built for a french line now running in Wales! :shock: ) prototypical (OK I know that Gnatterbox is the place to be for non prototypical! :wink: ) 0-4-0 steam locos.

Might have a look at joining the 7/8 forum later :D
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Postby Mike Lee » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:49 pm

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Have you tried Google Images :?: type in 'Gn15 Locomotives', 'Gn15 Layouts' etc :arrow: a lot is obviously from the Gnatterbox, but there is a lot that isn't :D :D :D
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Postby Steve Bennett » Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:19 pm

What about something like "The Bug" from the RH&DR, would seem a good candidate for downsizing a bit from 15" gauge.

http://www.rhdr.org.uk/pages/04.html

With it being driven from the tender, you wont need to fit a figure around the motor on the loco, or have problems getting the balance right. Also, with every Lima chassis I have ever tried, getting as much weight in as possible is the key to getting reasonable running, so you can use the whole of the loco body to add the weight where it needs to be.
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Postby Oztrainz » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:01 pm

Hi Rob,
It depends on how "basic" your milord is prepared to stoop-

Most basic
http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=8135
and
http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=8146

A little bit more refined and probably more fun for milord would be something like "Busta", built around a Bachmann On30 Davenport gas/mech chassis
http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=1466

For a more modern look can I suggest something along the lines of Chris Krupa's scooter as seen visiting Haywards Estate in NZ?
http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=1969&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=150

A little more luxurious is this offering from Smallbrook Studios - the man rider cars at http://www.smallbrookstudio.com/page6.php.
You will have to fudge your own power bogie if you want them to be self-propelled.
(and even gnarrower than designed in 09 for some similar inspiration)
http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=3798

And if his Lordship isn't prepared to rough it at all may I suggest something similar to:
http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=7481
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Postby Artizen » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:02 am

Perhaps the Lord may prefer one of these?

http://www.helica.info/eexpo.htm
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