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Postby Daniel O. Caso » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:50 pm

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The main difference between our designs is the scale. The second port is made possible by the scale. My Original plan was for H0e en even so it was many times bigger that yours. I think in such a small space and also such a big scale it won´t be possible to represent in a convincing way a second port. To put it in other words, you are getting the most of the reduced size you are building on.

!-32 being my favourite scale, I can´t wait to see what you are building now!
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Postby Les » Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:56 pm

Progress report. I've completed the 1:24 ferry and now working on the slightly more elaborate 1:32 scale one. I'm afraid I've yielded to the temptation to model rather than refine the technical aspects of movement.

Some shots of the 1:24 ferry below. A modelling friend has kindly come up with various nautical fittings - the anchor, chain, ventilator and lifebuoys, etc. The tracks on the deck are unpowered - I'm going to rely on a "reach wagon" so that heavy locos don't need to venture aboard when shunting stock onto the ferry, as often happened in reality.

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Postby Jack Clarke » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:42 pm

That is looking good Les, even better than when I saw it in the flesh a couple of weeks ago. I think the deck finish looks even more realistic now you have added a bit of weathering, the anchor is also a nice touch.

Can't wait to see the layout, well done Les.
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Postby Glen A » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:58 pm

Wow, that is looking great!

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Postby Les » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:16 pm

Thanks Jack and Glen! The tyres and lifebuoys are my first real attempt at moulding with Fimo. They are less than perfect but fortunately old tyres used as fenders are likely to be a bit bashed about :wink:
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Postby Daniel O. Caso » Wed Jun 26, 2013 7:25 pm

I love it !

Goode done Les.

The only thing I would do is to weather a bit more the deck surface but it is already an excellent model.

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:21 pm

Hi Les,
Your usual standard is great, this is even better. 8)
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Postby chris69 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:26 pm

VERY nice job!!!!! CONGRATS!
One question, where is the stack for the diesel engine?
Since ferry barges tend to have uneven water lines a waterline exhaust port would not work......
Sorry it's the Retired Captain in me breaking through........

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Postby Les » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:43 pm

Thank you for your very kind comments gentlemen :D

Daniel, I was cautious about weathering the deck as I usually over-rust things and I was worried about getting any excess out of the chequer-plate, if necessary. I will try to add some more subtle weathering in different shades of rust and grime.

Chris, thanks for your professional input! In my innocence I thought that a waterline exhaust port would do the job, so I hadn't added a stack. I can see the logic now and this will be rectified.
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Postby chris69 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:02 pm

Hi Les,
did a bit more thinking about it. Since vessels like this take their heritage from landing crafts, the power would be supplied by twin or quad 8/71 Detroits with wet exhaust systems. Expelling cooling water with the exhaust.
So an exhaust slightly above the waterline is an OK solution. Submerging the exhaust is not a detriment to the system.
Just thinking out loud......lol

Here is a picture of a real one in Holland:

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Postby Daniel O. Caso » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:02 pm

Hi Chris

That photo surpised me a bit.
Was it taken at the pottery factory "De Nieuwe Werklust"?

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Postby Daniel O. Caso » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:07 pm

Something more:

May be it's not the one I though because what I've been told is that the loco was crossing the Rihn with the skips every time...
I am curious to hear from you.

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Postby chris69 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:54 am

Hi Daniel,
I honestly don't remember where I found the pictures. But what I do remember, is that it was taken somewhere in Holland. Unfortunately I did not download the other pictures.

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Postby Tomo » Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:33 am

A splendid looking ferry!

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Postby thtroll » Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:31 am

Great looking ferry Les.
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Postby Artizen » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:04 am

I love the ferry but I have a question.

Why did you not carry the rails right through to the other end so the ferry could simply cross the water without having to turn around each time to unload? (This is how the local car ferry works. It is guided across a tidal river by a steel cable.)
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Postby Daniel O. Caso » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:50 am

Chris

Thank you any way.

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:05 am

'Landing craft' , why did I not think of that. I have seen that photo somewhere. Already have a kit for WW2 landing craft in 1/35, so thinking it could be used. Would have it at back of module(APA of course :lol: ), behind dock all so can hide how it moves.
Just wonder if enough wagons can be carried to justify :roll:

just found this one in 1/32. deck looks flat enough. finding a way to raise the front might be problem, assuming that does not happen off scene
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMC-1-32-scale-Landing-Craft-grey-/321148135616?pt=UK_Toys_Games_ToySoldiers_EH&hash=item4ac5eba8c0
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Postby Les » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:15 pm

Thanks Chris, saves me a job! That's a great photo you posted - a small ferry doing exactly what I envisaged mine doing. I thought I was straying into the realms of whimsy but it proves that there really is a prototype for everything :)

Ian, my thinking was led by having to restrict the width of the ferry to 7 inches or so in order for it to turn through a semi-circle on a reasonable width baseboard. I wanted two tracks on deck and the width meant that the wheelhouse got in the way of the port-side track, hence it's single ended. I figured that although with car ferries you want roll-on-roll-off so the vehicles don't need to reverse off, with railway wagons this isn't important as they are themselves inherently double-ended. Fortunately the photo Chris posted bears this out.
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Postby demaine22 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:42 pm

Already looks good as a model that doesn't move! 8)

I hope, Les, once you have animated the ferry we can see a video...?
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Postby Les » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:58 pm

If I can work out how to post a video, I'd be delighted. Perhaps some kind soul can give me some advice.

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:02 pm

Les wrote:If I can work out how to post a video, I'd be delighted. Perhaps some kind soul can give me some advice.

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Upload it to one of the hosting sites Les then link it to your post.
You can't use the Gn15.info image hosting.
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Postby chris69 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:28 pm

Hi,
I think I found the ORIGINALS of the ferry used in Holland.
In the 50ties River Landing-craft where built for the US and British forces in Europe. They look a lot like the one use to carry the skips across the Rhine.

Enjoy!

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Here is a german one from WWII, I am sure some survived and where converted to civilian use.

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Postby Les » Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:15 pm

Thanks Gerry, I'll have a shot at that.
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