Paradise Bottom Stone & Gravel Tramway

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Postby RoGNer » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:58 am

Mark Goodwin wrote:Roger,

Brilliant simplicity - a small railway with purpose and function. More please.
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:D Many thanks Mark !

I dont know why it took me so many years to finally realise this little type of railway is exactly what i have been wanting to build and I really enjoy operating it!

I remember taking a micro inglenook layout (in 2mm) to a show once and hearing a couple of people saying "whats the point in that?" but then after standing & watching me complete a shunting session - of around 15 mins - they realised !

I have made up a short but interesting operating sequence for Paradise Bottom which is great fun.

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:30 am

There's a lot to be said for KISS Roger. :wink:
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Postby RoGNer » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:32 pm

Gerry Bullock wrote:There's a lot to be said for KISS Roger. :wink:



Very true Gerry.

Then again perhaps I should have used SHAG (Should Have Asked Gerry) too..??!

Anyway, its Friday and I am not working this weekend. Hopefully I will get along to a toy & train fair tomorrow near Penarth for some bargains and then to the Lea Bailey on Sunday for more track laying (2ft gauge)

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Postby Gerry Bullock » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:17 pm

RoGNer wrote:
Gerry Bullock wrote:There's a lot to be said for KISS Roger. :wink:



Very true Gerry.

Then again perhaps I should have used SHAG (Should Have Asked Gerry) too..??!

Roger
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There's no answer to that :!: :roll:
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Postby Larry » Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:53 am

I have made up a short but interesting operating sequence for Paradise Bottom which is great fun.

Care to explain?


Great reprise of a classic. Lots of inspiration there. Do you have Carl's staging track out of sight?

In fact, can we get a pic of the out of sight bits?

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:01 am

A more general wording might be 'Should have asked guvnor?' and that probably explains the mess we are all in , outside this hobby.
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Postby Broadoak » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:42 am

I think it is superb.

Looks good, works well, what more can one ask. 8)
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:38 pm

more photos/video please. also that wagon tipper device looks like the Fleishmann one, so are you running with Fleischmann tipper wagon?
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Postby Simon Andrews » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:55 pm

Nice take on a micro classic 8)

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Postby RoGNer » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:16 pm

Larry wrote:
I have made up a short but interesting operating sequence for Paradise Bottom which is great fun.

Care to explain?


Great reprise of a classic. Lots of inspiration there. Do you have Carl's staging track out of sight?

In fact, can we get a pic of the out of sight bits?



Hi Larry

Thanks for the kind words.

Yes, behind the scenes is the same staging track idea that Carl used. A pivot enables the small "sector" track to be freely moved by hand between 3 lines - one line to the shed for filling, one to the tipping area and the 3rd for "fiddling" a waggon on and off. I will take a picture of it.

I have 2 types of coloured stone. 1 is a nice size garden pot grit, quite round and browny red in colour. The other is a nice light Cotswold type stone (found at work and was heading for the bin - it was a sample bag for the architects dept).
The sequence is - loco pushes wooden plank waggon to filling shed and I fill it with some of the light colour stone. Loco pulls waggon backstage to fiddle track where I simply change the waggon over for the skip (tipper) waggon. It is imagined that stone then goes off for shaping into bricks - i'll get some "finished product" made of that for display.
Loco then pushes skip into building where its filled with the "grit" stone. Loco pulls skip back to back stage with me opening and closing gates as needed. Track is swivelled, gate opened and loco pushes skip to tip it into waiting truck. This stone (grit) is supposed to be the cheap stuff going off for other use.. To a garden centre for bagging into potting grit?!

The sequence repeats with a ratio of 2 skip (grit) trips to 1 wooden waggon of "good" stone trip. Then run a track repair waggon/fuel/tools/tea waggon in between this and of course the Manager wants to check on things, riding in his inspection "coach"... That calls for a loco change too to a battery electric as he doesn't like diesel fumes..

All in all - great fun!

Roger

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Postby RoGNer » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:24 pm

rue_d_etropal wrote:more photos/video please. also that wagon tipper device looks like the Fleishmann one, so are you running with Fleischmann tipper wagon?



:D It is indeed the HO Fleishmann tipper device and I do have 3 of the Fleishmann tipper waggons but at the moment the skip waggon in use is one of the Bachman On30 metal skips.

I'll certainly take more pics and videos very shortly! Thanks for looking

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Postby RoGNer » Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:26 pm

Thanks Peter & Simon - its a great idea of Carls and great fun

Roger

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:00 pm

the Fleischmann tipping unit unfortunately only works with the HO wagons. Pity as the Magic Train versions are bigger and look more to scale. New bodies on the HO chassis can be built easily, but you then have to remove top of corrugated tipper unit.
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Postby RoGNer » Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:37 pm

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The backside of Paradise Bottom..

The Fleishmann tipping device was height adjusted (lowered by chopping a bit off) so that the edge of the skip runs up the angled bit of plastic ok and tips it. I found too that the base of it needed to be a touch flexible rather than stuck solid. It wont tip the Fleishmann tipper waggons, for which it was intended, anymore as its just a tiny bit too low but I wanted to use the metal Bachmann skips anyway.

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Postby Nevadablue » Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:10 pm

This is a neat little layout, just what I need! I don't have a lot of room and these tiny layouts are perfect, IMO. That funny little truck is a hoot too. I need to save your pictures and study the detail. LOVE IT! :D

OMG! :shock: I just watched the video, my wife did too. You need some safety devices for that operator. The loader is NOISY (need hearing protection) and the stop at the end of the track can cause whiplash (need a 6 point harness! ) :lol: I LOVE IT!!!

Oh, this quote:

"(In the meantime I have a glass of red wine and Jethro Tull on the gramophone) "

are we related? :?:
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Postby RoGNer » Sun Jul 13, 2014 7:34 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: thanks Ken, glad you like it pal.

I was rather surprised myself at how noisy it sounded on the film clip when I was loading the skip with a spoon!! :lol:

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:23 pm

just watched the video, not sure how I did not notice it before. looks like you have been lucky adapting the tipper. The weight in the actual wagon helps, but it is so easy to tip whole wagon over if it is too light, hence the way the Fleischmann device is designed. Got me wondering now as I also have a Minitrix one, and that has a fitting to stop wagon tipping over. :roll: Also the self righting of tipper wagon works well.
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Postby Nevadablue » Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:18 pm

There's another tipper around here that has a pin that goes over the carriage frame and keeps it down on the track when it is pushed into the tipper. Can't remember who made that, but it is neat.

Does anyone here have a link to the inspiration layout of Carl's? I did find that his original site is archived, thank goodness. I'm going to start on saving it all. I like the old layout myself.

Edited to add... I found it. Squarefoot Estate Railway. :D
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Postby RoGNer » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:03 pm

Nevadablue wrote: and the stop at the end of the track can cause whiplash (need a 6 point harness! ) :lol: I LOVE IT!!!

:?:



I did drive it all a bit too fast - it does creep along nice and slow - put it down to being caught on camera!

Perhaps I'll add the scenic "junk" items first and then I will take another video and drive more slowly!

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Postby Nevadablue » Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:59 am

I did find the original version of Carl's pages.

http://archive.carendt.com/squarefoot/index.html
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Postby RoGNer » Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:43 pm

Here's an amazing bit of track work - watch this lovely clip..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_gJY1lsbqk


Superb micro

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:08 pm

part 4 shows the track even better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUCZPSMKeHQ
and you get to hear the loco as well
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Re: Paradise Bottom Stone & Gravel Tramway

Postby Thorness » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:39 pm

An alternative type of wagon tipper is shown here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkLEqPSBlQI

This guy has a most impressive thread on ngrm-online, you have to register but this makes it worthwhile IMHO. ( http://ngrm-online.com/forums/index.php ... adventure/ )

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Re: Paradise Bottom Stone & Gravel Tramway

Postby Geeky Gecko » Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:11 pm

Somehow I missed this. That's excellent modelling, Roger.
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