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Time to build a Gn15 layout ?

Postby Longvallon » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:16 am

Hello,
I'm thinking about building a little Gn15 layout like this great one (I know it's GNine): The RAMMA Wood.
http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t= ... ramma+wood
I'm looking for some Smallbrook rolling stock and one loco.
I want to use the Peco 0-16.5 track.
And now, this is the 1000 bucks question:
Can I run this stuff on a very small curve radius (200mm) ?
All your answers and advices are happily welcome.
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:19 am

Short wagons and short locos will go round very tight curves. The motor bogie from Bachman PCC tram is ideal. Small wheels on a short wheelbase.
Only problem is that bending flexi track that much reduces gauge, assuming track does not fall apart. The Hornby super flexi would bend, but don't think it is available now but Atlas do a super flexi, which I suspect is the same. Using Peco track best to pre-bend the rail then fit to sleepers.

Just noticed you want 200mm radius, I was thinking 100mm radius, as I am thinking of a small project to fit in APA box, and have already tried some of my own plain tram track panels with 100mm radius. I will use standard radius points though.
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Postby KEG » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:15 pm

The motor bogie from Bachman PCC tram is ideal. Small wheels on a short wheelbase.


Dimensions of wheels and wheelbase, plus a picture, might be helpful for a beginner.

Inferior drives plus tight curves is not the best combination. Don´t expect it to last very long.

Smallbrook loco kits ask for Hornby drives. Not the best choice for short wheelbases.

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Postby Geeky Gecko » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:10 pm

This might be of help if you are planning to use a Hornby chassis:
http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t= ... ght=hornby
Sorry, but I have no personal experience of very tight radii.
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Postby martin » Thu Jul 24, 2014 11:28 pm

Both the Smokey Joe and the Percy chassis should be fine at 200mm radius, they'll go much tighter too though as mentioned you might have to watch for gauge tightening if you're not building your own track... but for the cost of a bit of flexitrack you might as well lay a test line and give it a whirl.

Coupling and buffer lock may be a problem. Anything less than 200mm and you will be better off using a rooster bar to couple
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Postby Longvallon » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:47 am

Thanks.
After a little brainstorming, I changed my project a little bit.
I'm gonna use a 280 mm radius.
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Postby Longvallon » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:58 am

I started another thread about Micro Engineering 0n30 flex-track:
http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=9930&highlight=
But I'm gonna use Peco 0-16.5 track.
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Postby Gavin Sowry » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:27 am

martin wrote: Anything less than 200mm and you will be better off using a rooster bar to couple


:shock: I've successfully used PECO On30, bent to 3½" radius, and use standard Kadee couplers. 8)

Motive power is Bachmann Gas Mechanical based.

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Postby Longvallon » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:37 am

Thanks for the photos.
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Postby Longvallon » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:32 pm

I read all your topic about this nice layout:

http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t= ... ight=pizza
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Postby Si » Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:45 pm

Following the tight radius theme - what's the best way to pre bend rails? Do you need an expensive bit of kit or is there a home grown bodge that is just as good?
And if you are bending flex track round in a complete circle, how do you ensure that the ends don't kink out?

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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:12 pm

Si wrote:Following the tight radius theme - what's the best way to pre bend rails? Do you need an expensive bit of kit or is there a home grown bodge that is just as good?
And if you are bending flex track round in a complete circle, how do you ensure that the ends don't kink out?


There is a homemade bodge, was posted on here a while ago but I can't find it at the moment :-(

The simplest way is three round headed screws in a block of wood. Draw the curve on the wood and position the three screws.

Did a bit of a search using a well known search engine, found a few things.

http://youtu.be/gw_xGtsHJtw

http://www.freerails.com/view_topic.php ... orum_id=57

http://www.modeltrainforum.com/showthread.php?t=3931

You must push the rail through rather than pull it to keep the curve, and the best way to stop the ends from spring back is to curve the rail past the length you need and cut it to length afterwords.
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Postby Thorness » Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:06 pm

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Postby Si » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:37 pm

thanks for that, so clever yet so simple!

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Postby Gavin Sowry » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:01 pm

How to bend tight radius flextrack...

http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t= ... ight=pizza
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Postby KEG » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:55 am

When I found this Forum many moons ago, almost everybody was showing Pizza-Layouts. - For a long time, I believed, these were the admission tickets to be allowed to join this forum.

So I built one too on an IKEA Lazy Susann, approx 40 cm. Used the round board as a jig to roughly form the profiles :

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It never turned out like it was intended, but it was a good exercise to practise with some flex track and other materials.
Meanwhile my Pizza is part of the 2nd floor of one of my Diorama-Modules.

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It pops in and out the two tunnels.

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Postby Longvallon » Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:03 pm

Good news ! I got all the stuff to build my small layout: the Peco track, a second hand Hornby steam loco and the rolling stock.
Because I work very slowly, please be patient for the first photo.
Unfortunately, many hamsters will disappear during the layout construction. The workers need meat ! :lol:
I made a plan of my project. It's very close to the Ramma Wood that I really enjoy.

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See you soon !
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Postby Nevadablue » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:00 pm

I like that layout a lot! :D
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Postby Gavin Sowry » Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:22 am

Neat design... you should have fun with that.
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Postby KEG » Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:20 am

Unfortunately, many hamsters will disappear during the layout construction. The workers need meat !



There are not too many hamsters in France left anyway.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/10/world/europe/10hamsters.html?_r=0


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Postby Longvallon » Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:11 am

We have one for lunch ! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby KEG » Tue Aug 05, 2014 4:59 pm

That not a hamster. It looks like a Drag Queen guinea pig from the Folies Bergere.

I am not surprised, that there is no progress with the layout yet.

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Postby Longvallon » Tue Aug 05, 2014 8:02 pm

Hey, hey ,hey ! What's going on here ?
We have a new sheriff in town and nobody knows ! :lol:
Rule#1: It's my layout and I do what I want.
Rule#2: I'm free to do what I want anytime !
If you don't agree with that, it's your own problem, not mine.
In fact, I hate all that steampunk bullshit and these stupid hamsters !
Have fun in Hell ! :twisted:
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Postby KEG » Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:31 am

The local KEG hell can be reached by a Gn15 railway line

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Postby MrPlantpot » Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:42 pm

Rule#1: It's my layout and I do what I want.
Rule#2: I'm free to do what I want anytime !


Well said, That man; I agree whole heartedly.....
..... and I love the track plan. Could you give us a clue as to the overall size, or the size of the grid squares, please? :)
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