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Postby KeithB » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:41 pm

Maybe I'll change my chicken farm layout from 15" gauge to 9" gauge. Hey, if Wolds Way can haul lavendar, I can haul chicken-s**t!!!!
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Postby Catweasel » Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:53 pm

:twisted: :idea: Now there's an idea.A 9mm line taking the chicken sh*t away from the coops to a processing plant and tankers taking away methane for alternate fuel.You know it makes sense :!: :!:
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Postby ian holmes » Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:24 pm

bobblackcloud wrote:Well . . . . . Actually . . . . .

If Gn15 is G scale/narrow gauge/15 inch,
shouldn't it be Gm9 for G scale/miniature/9 inch?

Just my little bit of pedantry, I'll duck now.


I just thought about it some more and my copyrighted term :wink:
will be "Gnine" As in "G" scale (no more comments about that dead horse) and "nine" mm for the track gauge.
Look for a "Gnine" section to appear on iholmes .com soon. :D

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Postby KeithB » Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:24 am

My chicken farm layout is based on the real North Ings Farm in Lincolnshire, which replaced its trucks in the early 1970's with a 2ft gauge line because the trucks kept getting bogged down in mud! The railway now operates on an occasional basis as a tourist line - see http://www.northingsfarmmuseum.co.uk/

As far as a "working" miniature line, there's also the Shillingstone Light Railway. Built in the early 1950's to serve a pig farm, again to replace trucks which got bogged down. Had a piglet wagon as well as a tanker for whey plus a few flat wagons. There was one diesel and one petrol loco, as well as a 2-6-0+0-6-2 Garratt! Now THERE's a challenge in Gnine :lol: :lol:
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Postby Steve Bennett » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:01 am

Ah, now Shillingstone had one of my favorite sub 15" gauge loco's. it was named Ulysses while there, this shot was from after the line closed and the loco had been re-named Sir Humphrey Davy while at Age Of Steam in Cornwall. By coincidence, I scanned this photo earlier today, how weird is that :)

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There were in fact 4 loco's at Shillingstone, Jason the Garrett, Belle a 4 wheel diesel, Wasp a 4 man speeder and Ulysses above.
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Postby KeithB » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:15 am

You're right - I omitted "Wasp" although it doesn't really qualify as a loco - apparently it was more like a guided missile on wheels......

My wife models British N-scale circa 1960's - I just may have to "liberate" some of her locos to a higher calling..... :lol: :lol:
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Postby DCRfan » Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:55 am

ian holmes wrote:Do we need a "Gnine" forum now to cover the modelling of miniature railways :twisted:
"Gnine"...
I like that.
I used it first! I'd better copyright it... :)

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Postby DCRfan » Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:23 am

I should have added, I went to the local model railway shop today and found myself picking up N gauge locos :oops: I don't need this :( I will have to unsubscribe from this thread until current GN15 layout is finished, or perhaps I could check back in once-in-a-while just to keep up with what..... no, no, no.

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Postby Colin Peake » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:39 am

DCRfan wrote:By coincidence I received this today on Yahoo UK Miniature Railways group.

Miniature Railway Worlds main site is going through a revamp at the
moment with a change of layout and new pages being added all the time.

But a new feature are the forums. You can find and join the forums by
clicking the link below. To register which is absolutely free, just
press register in the top left hand corner.

http://z9.invisionfree.com/MRW_Forums/index.php?act=idx

Somewhere to discuss the miniature prototype.

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Indeed, it would be good to see some familiar faces on the new Miniature Railway World Forum, it is early days at the moment but Peter (the site owner, also the youngest member of the NGRS) has hopes that the forum will be a sucess, so please do sign up and start some discussion. All miniature railway discussion is welcome!

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Postby Peter » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:03 pm

Oh boy!
It's a good thing I've been reading Maine 2 foot gauge (if 15 inch is standard gauge, and 9 inch in narrow, is 2 foot broad :twisted: ) books for the last month or I'd be tempted to follow you all into GNine (I love the way that sounds) depravity. I've got enough projects for the 15 inch yet to do!
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5 inch inspiration

Postby ed » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:14 pm

Perhaps this layout is a good inspiration for a 5 inch gauge layout.

http://fdelaitre.club.fr/Eutr04-SR.htm

Scroll down to st James Park

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Postby david colley jnr » Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:05 am

hey steve, been a while since i last caught up with ulysses, aka, sir humphrey davy, Where is she now? last time i heard of her, she was at the now abandond "ridon park", where she sported a green livery and a massivly enlarged cab to give better comfort for the driver... Always liked the more scale narrow gauge look to her though.
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Postby dana » Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:33 am

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i thought that lavender line with its clours of lavender & cream was the most unusual but a zeabra strippedloco and cars. :shock: :shock:
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Postby shortliner » Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:49 am

I think St James Park was in RM Sept '02

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Postby Steve Bennett » Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:41 am

david colley jnr wrote:hey steve, been a while since i last caught up with ulysses, aka, sir humphrey davy, Where is she now? last time i heard of her, she was at the now abandond "ridon park", where she sported a green livery and a massivly enlarged cab to give better comfort for the driver... Always liked the more scale narrow gauge look to her though.


I have lost track of where she is aswell David. Certainly has been in use since leaving Rydon Park and from what I recall, the cab has been returned to it's original height. I'm hoping Colin will come in here now and update us, his knowledge in this field is far greater than mine.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:46 am

shortliner wrote:I think St James Park was in RM Sept '02


St James Park is a wonderful little layout, I had the pleasure of spending a weekend next to it at NG North a couple of years ago. It kept me entertained during the quiet moments and all the way through the weekend, I was finding new details on it that i hadnt noticed previously. Inspirational indeed, here are a few of my pics.

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Postby Colin Peake » Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:09 pm

Steve Bennett wrote: I'm hoping Colin will come in here now and update us, his knowledge in this field is far greater than mine.


According to Charles O'Mahoney on the Miniature Railway World Forum, the loco is now at Beale Park - Source. Sadly I think the cab is still in the rebuilt form. In both it's earlier versions this was one of Trevor Guest's finest diesels.

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Postby Catweasel » Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:09 pm

I will admit to being quite taken with the idea of Gnine. The track would need some thought I feel,as little injuns on heavy track wouldn't look right.Maybe Code 55?
As for Steve's conversion, brilliant concept.As regards the tender sides,why not do them chariot style.The front at bonnet height and curving up to the full height. Just a thought. As regards wagons,how about using "N" gauge chassis?
It wouldn't be a cheap scale though, due to high cost of "N" gauge running gear.And "N" gauge mechs can be temperamental.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:23 pm

Catweasel wrote:It wouldn't be a cheap scale though, due to high cost of "N" gauge running gear.And "N" gauge mechs can be temperamental. I could be tempted though.


Not all N gauge is expensive, there are some very good budget mechanisms around. First one that comes to mind for an I/C loco is the Bachmann Plymouth, closely followed by the Kato Tram/Pocket loco, and when it comes to twin bogies, there is a huge choice. If steam power is more your thing, Life-Like's little 0-6-0 is very good value and i'm sure there are others aswell. All of those I have mentioned run very well and should give long and reliable service, if my experiences with them are anything to go by, I have no hesitation in recommending them.
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Postby Catweasel » Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:21 am

Hi Steve. I see Hattons are doing the Plymouth for £15.That's OK. I think I'll get one to play with. I had bad experiences with 009 and that's why I went to building my own mechs and then,ultimately, to 8mm gauge.I also found that split-frame pick up was more reliable. But then again,Gnine should be better as the locos have more weight. Sounds like fun.
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Postby Catweasel » Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:55 am

I think that this shape for the tender sides may work Steve.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:00 am

The Bachmann Plymouth does have split frames, or should that be split block :) the chassis is built into a Mazac(?) block split down the middle. These things are almost bullet proof. I have some that have clocked up hundreds of hours and the first thing to normally go on them is the brushes will eventually wear through the commutator on the motor. They are also very quick and easy to convert to a four wheeler, which improves the running. For the price, they are unbeatable in my opinion.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:05 am

Catweasel wrote:I think that this shape for the tender sides may work Steve.
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Thanks Henry, I'm pretty happy with the tender now. The lower sides look pretty good and still retain the Roanoke look to them. Having browsed the web for more pics, it seems the seat height does vary and even Jon with his inflexible legs doesnt look out of place now :)
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Postby Catweasel » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:06 am

You're up late. I didn't know the Plymouth was split. I believe it can also be cut down to a 4 wheeler? What chassis did you use for your tender.
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Re: Thanks Steve

Postby Steve Bennett » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:40 am

Catweasel wrote:You're up late. I didn't know the Plymouth was split. I believe it can also be cut down to a 4 wheeler? What chassis did you use for your tender.


Yes, it only takes a couple of minutes to convert to a 4 wheeler. The wheels are on stub axles, which plug into a nylon gear. Simply unscrew the keeper plate from the bottom of the chassis, remove the centre axle, pull the wheels out of the gear, insert a couple of short pieces of brass rod of the same diameter in their place and pop it back in and replace the keeper plate. Job done :)

The chassis under the tender is one that I used to produce for 14mm gauge, which used 20mm long 1.5mm diameter axles (TT gauge size) which Alan Gibson has stopped producing. I believe they are now available from Parkside Dundas gauged to 9mm aswell, but not certain on that. If the interest in this grows, I might have to start producing these again :)
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