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Postby Catweasel » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:48 am

Thanks Steve. I don't this idea will stop in a hurry. It feels weird getting the proportions right. I mean,G scale with 7mm bodies on n gauge track.Crikey,what a caper. Got to one for the ultimate shoebox.Over to Carl maybe?
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Postby Colin Peake » Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:00 am

I can only echo Steve's comments that the cheaper Bachmann stuff is pretty reliable. This is especially so in the more recent productions, the steam chassis for the 0-6-0 and 2-6-2 is a lot better now than the earlier versions, and the wheels are blackened to boot! I have got one with Kirklees 'Badger' in mind for O9, 0-6-4 conversion proved possible but the motor will stick out in the cab.

I do not know if the more recent Plymouths have a slightly different chassis, there is a chance the wheels might be different, they certainly are between the two generations of steam chassis.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:18 am

Colin Peake wrote:I do not know if the more recent Plymouths have a slightly different chassis, there is a chance the wheels might be different, they certainly are between the two generations of steam chassis.


I think the only difference with the newer Bachmann Plymouths, which were re-introduced about 18 months ago, is that it has a different motor and the wheels are blackened. The chassis castings are the same. I had one for a short time, had to make sure it still fitted my 09 kits :)
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Postby Simon Andrews » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:49 pm

Hi all,

I'm pleased to say I have found my prototype inspiration :D
http://www.lmandwr.co.uk/lmandwr_site/index.htm
The idea is a miniature line at an agricultural collage and rural museum. The line will provide a visitor attraction and also be used for ground keeping etc. I am thinking of a track plan based on Emrys' "River side yard" plan. Keep you posted :wink:

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Postby Steve Bennett » Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:31 pm

Neat idea Simon, I like the concept. Thats a nice site they have, plenty of inspiration to be found and no shortage of pics. The stock is a bit too miniature for my tastes and sit astride coaches are going to pose a problem with figures, if you go in that direction.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Sun Aug 20, 2006 1:20 pm

After using 12mm gauge axles under the tender for the pseudo Roanoke loco, it got me to thinking that it should also be possible to regauge 16.5mm wheelsets in the same way. The good news is, it works.

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For this I used 9mm diameter wheels which work a little better than the 10.5mm diameter I usually have fitted to these wagons. Even narrowed down to 9mm gauge, it is still remarkably stable, I wouldnt recommend running like this though.

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No trickery here, Jon really is sat on a box which is way over one side of the centreline of the wagon, there is no added weight or anything to counteract it.

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For 4 wheel wagons, I think this is a better option than using N gauge wheelsets, it certainly seems a lot more stable. For bogie vehicles though, I have yet to explore that :)
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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:02 pm

Hmmm, remove one end panel, add seat at the other end, couple two together with the open ends facing each other. Instant passenger carriers :!: Couple behind a (hush my mouth) OO9 loco with driver on tender/driving wagon............. :D
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Postby ian holmes » Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:26 pm

More_Cats_Than_Sense wrote:Hmmm, remove one end panel, add seat at the other end, couple two together with the open ends facing each other. Instant passenger carriers :!: Couple behind a (hush my mouth) OO9 loco with driver on tender/driving wagon............. :D


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Postby Steve Bennett » Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:34 pm

More_Cats_Than_Sense wrote:Hmmm, remove one end panel, add seat at the other end, couple two together with the open ends facing each other. Instant passenger carriers :!: Couple behind a (hush my mouth) OO9 loco with driver on tender/driving wagon............. :D


:lol: Shame its not a bit longer, could get two people in it then :)
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Postby Catweasel » Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:36 pm

Seeing as Basingstoke is a desert as regards modelling shops,does anyone gnow where I can get track gauges for Gnine mm track on mail order. The ones I prefer are the triangular type,but rollers are OK. Thanks.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:56 am

I wasnt going to share this yet, but couldnt resist. After a weekend of feverish activity, last night I put together what I believe is the first kit in G scale which runs on 9mm gauge track, Gnine as Ian has christened it. Built around a Bachmann Plymouth mechanism which should give good, reliable running. Not based on any particular prototype, but not quite got a home built feel to it either, so I guess it would have to be termed freelance :) like a lot of miniature stuff. As you will see, this is tiny, it is only 57mm long, 27mm wide and 43mm to the top of the hood. Anyway, a few quick pics of the first test build, more details and pics with a proper paint job over the coming days.

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Postby MilesB » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:36 am

Steve Bennett wrote:I wasnt going to share this yet, but couldnt resist.

You've got no will-power have you?
Steve Bennett wrote:After a weekend of feverish activity, last night I put together what I believe is the first kit in G scale which runs on 9mm gauge track, Gnine as Ian has christened it. Built around a Bachmann Plymouth mechanism which should give good, reliable running. Not based on any particular prototype, but not quite got a home built feel to it either, so I guess it would have to be termed freelance :) like a lot of miniature stuff. As you will see, this is tiny, it is only 57mm long, 27mm wide and 43mm to the top of the hood. Anyway, a few quick pics of the first test build, more details and pics with a proper paint job over the coming days.

Very nice... this is all a devious ploy to sell O9 kits to Gn15 modellers isn't it! :wink:

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Postby Catweasel » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:39 am

Yup. Ireckon you could be numero uno with a Gnine kit. Have you a name yet? I reckon something like Gtiny would do it :!: It's Looking good Steve.Imagineeringing is what it's all about. One thing though,if Gn15 is LARGE scale ,small space, what does that make Gnine. LARGE scale,pocket size :?:
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Postby Steve Bennett » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:43 am

MilesB wrote:Very nice... this is all a devious ploy to sell O9 kits to Gn15 modellers isn't it! :wink:


:lol: You found me out, it was worth a try :)
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Postby Steve Bennett » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:49 am

Catweasel wrote:Yup. Ireckon you could be numero uno with a Gnine kit. Have you a name yet? I reckon something like Gtiny would do it :!: It's Looking good Steve.Imagineeringing is what it's all about. One thing though,if Gn15 is LARGE scale ,small space, what does that make Gnine. LARGE scale,pocket size :?:


Well I'm open to suggestions for a name, "Sidelines Minis" is looking favorite at the moment, but thats not fixed yet :) . Pocket size is a good description, I think it could open up all sorts of possibilities in a small space, now where did I put that shoebox, I need to build a new empire :) .
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Lister - a - Like ?

Postby MilesB » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:57 am

Steve - I seem to remember a post a while back showing a 7 1/4" gauge Lister-a-like loco produced by 'The Engineering Emporium' (can't find the link at the moment). Perhaps you could do something similar using the hood from the Wasp kit ?

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Postby Steve Bennett » Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:20 pm

MilesB wrote:Steve - I seem to remember a post a while back showing a 7 1/4" gauge Lister-a-like loco produced by 'The Engineering Emporium' (can't find the link at the moment). Perhaps you could do something similar using the hood from the Wasp kit ?


This one :)
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Yes I have been giving that one some thought, a Kato Tram mechanism would work very nicely for it. Going to see how much interest there is in Gnine before I start on that one though :)
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Postby Simon Andrews » Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:56 pm

Nice model Steve, I like it A LOT 8) Miles your not the only one who's thoughts have turned to that Lister look a like, I hope to receive a parcel from Exeter in the next day or so :)

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Postby MOG » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:13 pm

That's wonderful! :D
I can build that mock-up of my garden ride-on railway proposal now!

I think Gnine is good.. or G9?
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Postby michael » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:19 pm

I'm seeing some interesting trends here :roll:

First a couple of guys start the trend of converting 00 scale models to a larger scale (probably were having dificulty seeing the minute details) :lol: :lol:
Might be to do with Bifocals

Then when a fair number of folk are onside...... we see if we can convert the next group.......
Those who have already taken N scale up to 009 probably for the same reasons as the 00 folks :lol:

A few years later.....

now were into trifocals

so lets see if we can up the ante and take the 009 up a scale larger.......where will this all end :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby ian holmes » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:19 pm

MOG wrote:That's wonderful! :D
I can build that mock-up of my garden ride-on railway proposal now!

I think Gnine is good.. or G9?


Martin;
The way I look at it (at http://gnine.info/ )
Gnine covers any garden railway scale that uses 9mm track I've listed most of them there. Its a catch all basically.
G9 is an exact scale :shock: :twisted: :lol: that would represent 7.27" gauge
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Postby michael » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:23 pm

Isn't "Exact" stretching it just a little .02 to be precise :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby Steve Bennett » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:12 pm

ian holmes wrote:The way I look at it (at http://gnine.info/ )
Gnine covers any garden railway scale that uses 9mm track I've listed most of them there. Its a catch all basically.
G9 is an exact scale :shock: :twisted: :lol: that would represent 7.27" gauge


Wouldnt that be F9 in 1:20.3 :) only joking, but it did trigger an idea. I like the concept of Gnine being a catch all for those modelling Garden scales on 9mm gauge. When it comes to scales, I'm sure there will be a lot of variation in what we are all doing, so using the broad umbrella followed by the actual scale might have some merits, for example in half inch scale it would be described as "Gnine(1:24)". Just a thought :)
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Postby ian holmes » Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:18 pm

I like that idea Steve;
We'll change the world of Narrow gauge railway modelling together
:lol:

I wonder if we'd ever find anyone modelling in Gnine(1:20.3)?

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