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Postby ChrisMears » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:57 am

Great idea Steve. I have a similar chassis here (somewhere :lol: I will have to dig it out). In the meantime, I thought I would share some pictures of the model so far. I was struggling with a colour choice until I saw Andy's, and then out came the red. It will need some weathering and then flattening to get rid of that shine, but I am really pleased so far.

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Have a great night everyone :D
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Postby Peter » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:27 am

I really like that Chris, just be carefull I understand that red vehicles have higher insurance rates. Reckless drivers and all that :wink:
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Postby Steve Bennett » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:37 am

So you should be pleased Chris, thats a terrific little model. It has come out really well and the extra little touches that you have added have brought it to life. Up until now I had managed to resist building one, but with the combined efforts of you and Andy, I'm not sure how much longer I can hold out, I'm inspired and I doubt I'm alone in that.
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Postby michael » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:59 am

Wow Chris that looks great, I have a very big feeling that as soon as I can get back to Macton loco works, I will need to talk to the management. The management have told me that they have been following yours and Andy's progress on this design and they are seriously considering looking into taking some of the early bogie stock and producing a few of these little locos. :wink:

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Postby AndyA » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:15 am

I'll add my admiration to the rest: it looks superb, Chris. I'm going to need to compromise on the detailing on both of mine - the Gn15 one isn't long enough for full sized access doors (I can't remember whether you said you'd found another picture?) and the handrail detail looks silly on the gnine one, but that's what this is all about, isn't it.

Mine for the brick-kiln will be in red: since the gnine diorama will be broken brick, I think I need to come up with something else for that one. Dark green, perhaps.

The original ran mostly indoors so I've had a look around the stuff in the loading bays downstairs at work (although I build IT systems, the prime does lots of other things and there are a couple of other light industrial who share the same goods access road. For the most part the kit is filthy dirty, but not rusty. Stuff has been scratched and scored, and occasionally repainted in patches that don't quite match. This, methinks, is going to be a bit of a challenge for weathering.

I need to finish a certain wagon before I can justify doing more on what was originally a throw-away idea until I started really thinking about it in Spain, but I should have some time to myself on Sunday to build the definitive Gnine mining version.

Steve, looks as if that Life-Like chassis is a good find. What's the price bracket? I couldn't see any one ebay.

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Postby AndyA » Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:37 am

Steve, I've just looked at your Keef photos and realised that the solution to the interior details for the thing gnine loco has been (almost literally) staring me in the face. what I'm thinking is to glue one of your 'dial and two buttons' panels onto the face of the cab, with a squared-off rail at the top with a lever or pistol-grip attached. Much like what I did with my self-propelled truck.

Keef obviously don't use more controls than they need to (presumably their buttons are on the side because the beastie spends a lot of time running on autopilot, as the original fifties ones were designed to do) and since this one is meant to have a slightly contemporary feel to it, I can argue that pedals and suc are 'so passee'.

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Postby ChrisMears » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:59 am

Good morning guys. First of all thanks for the kind words :D

I'm looking forward to tonight getting to the workbench to get some work done on this and another :oops: model I am working on. I need to get the cab controls installed in this one. I was thinking about this little model yesterday when I was out running some errands. At one of the stores (big department type) I visited, they had one of those robot/motorized assisting things to help push the shopping carts into the store. It was small enough and I started to think that if our little brickworks locos where in use today, would they too be remote control? I would still add driver controls in the cab, but what about some extra details along the hood (lights and such) to aid our "on the ground" driver?

Here's a link to a company that make a similar beast to what I saw yesterday:

http://www.djproducts.com/Djproducts/DJProductsPages/shoppingcartpuller.html

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Postby Steve Bennett » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:28 am

AndyA wrote:Steve, looks as if that Life-Like chassis is a good find. What's the price bracket? I couldn't see any one ebay.


Well I found one on Ebay UK that went last week for £16.00 which I would say was probably a good price. I'm a bit out of touch with N gauge and did have trouble finding current stockists, Mac Models http://www.macsmodels.co.uk/lists.htm have them listed at £25.00. As Lifelike are now owned by Walthers, i would think that most walthers stockists will be able to get them, assuming of course they are still in production.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:44 am

It's funny that you should both start thinking about remote control, as I was looking at the photo last night http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/stephenbennett/LondonBrickCoLGE.jpg and starting to think that it did have the capability to operate remotely. There is a fixture, for want of a better word, on top of the hood and it looks like there is a cable which goes from this to the lever in the cab. I first thought the lever was a dead mans pedal, but now I'm leaning more toward it being part of a remote operating device. I have seen similar systems on other remote control set-ups, I could be wrong, but thats my current thinking.
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Postby Voyager » Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:17 am

Chaps,

Just a thought, and apologies if it is a diversion from the main direction of the thread, but how about addressing the issue of space etc. for the driver by making it a remote control loco of the type where the driver (often doubling-up as the shunter) walks alongside with a remote control pack? H&S requires that there is then also at least one emergency stop button either side of the loco within reach of someone standing at trackside, but that's easily modelled. The "win" in this case is that it gives a legitimate excuse to run a loco on the layout without a driver figure on board.
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Postby ChrisMears » Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:32 am

Good point about the driverless loco, I can see yet another loco to be started soon :lol:

I remember watching some remote engines working in Ontario a couple of years ago and the added detail of the indicator lighting "tree" on the side of the loco could be a great added detail to the model.

I think I may stop by the mall again tonight and see if I can see this cart mover and get some pictures. The thing was both tiny and torque-y, so it may be a great inspiration for a model.
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Postby ian holmes » Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:19 pm

I thought going on holiday was a problem.
Now I see that the mere act of going to bed causes great Gnine modelling to appear.
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Postby chris krupa » Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:04 pm

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Postby joe gilmartin » Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:22 am

Andy A ,Chris M, et all.........

I don't mean to Hijack your thread But.........
The world didn't end.....it's 22/12/12............
And know one has posted in it since Sept 2006.......

Whilst pouring through old topics in Gnine (75 MPH wind outside)
I came across this topic and said to myself I should mess around with
that..........
printed up a couple copies (@ 100%)and forged ahead for 3or4 hr.
No clue something was wrong...Notice caliper in photo....for accuracy no doubt

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NOT A CLUE...... Andy said print to 55mm
Until I put it on a test track................and it was three times wider than the track...........
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Postby Oztrainz » Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:38 pm

Hi Joe,
Please don't get overly hung up on the 3x width rule. This rule is only a guideline it can be broken quite successfully both in model and the real world, provided you design for it.

The key critical factor is your centre of mass of the mech and chassis. provided you keep the weight down low and evenly balanced on each side you won't have any problems at all. I got away with it sucessfully with my SupeH palletmover on the Randim Stackum & Wrackem (60mm wide on 16.5mm gauge) and my Aussie museum has several passenger cars that are over 8' wide running on 2' gauge in the real world.

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Postby joe gilmartin » Sun Dec 23, 2012 2:21 pm

Well Gents.......

Al little more work ....at the size i want it to be
more plastic card
and we're here

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More of what I was looking for............
Feeling better about this one.......
See where she go's.....

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Postby Simon Andrews » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:13 pm

Looks good Joe. I think your first attempt could be used for a wider gauge
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Postby joe gilmartin » Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:08 pm

A little more work
almost ready for paint

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need to fix the busted hinge on the Battery door
took her for a little spin around the track
need more weight!!!!

thanks for looking and your comments
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Postby demaine22 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:25 am

Lovely stuff Joe 8)

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Postby joe gilmartin » Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:35 pm

Hello there
a few shots in primer


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need to fix that door hinge .....lol

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Postby AndyA » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:08 am

Looking very good indeed.

Just as when I went to Spain and discovered that Chris had done a much better version, my hat is off to you as well.

I'll also say that three times width a simply a guideline, the original prototype was significantly wider gauge. And since it doesn't seem too clear from this thread, the 16.5mm version I did was specifically narrowed to fit on my Amos Gnollies - it's the same width as a Sidelines SL100 flat.

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Postby joe gilmartin » Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:48 pm

Thank you so much for your comment Andy
i in turn have enjoyed your wonderful work over the years.....
After I started the Larger version it didn't feel right
when compared to the wagons it would push around...
So i based it on my Tiny engines only a little wider and longer
I don't think i'll go with red..... maybe a well worn and abused
Safety Yellow

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Postby AndyA » Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:21 pm

joe gilmartin wrote:Thank you so much for your comment Andy
i in turn have enjoyed your wonderful work over the years.....
After I started the Larger version it didn't feel right
when compared to the wagons it would push around...
So i based it on my Tiny engines only a little wider and longer
I don't think i'll go with red..... maybe a well worn and abused
Safety Yellow

thanks again


for the record, I have one in red and one in yellow. In terms of the Macton/Norway back-story, the yellow one is the first to have been restored, and the red one was found abandoned in a mine near Hedselo, and lovingly restored (aka nearly rebuilt from scratch) by Kvaerner apprentices, when it was found that it was the first of type. In reality, when I finally finish the new Amos Gnollies, we intend using the 'swapping loco's' trick described in the Tome. This looks better if the loco's are different colours. I had the red one already because that was the card I had at the time and my wife quite likes yellow. No contest, really.:)

Looking forward to seeing yours after it leaves the paint-shop. But everything I've ever seen in safety yellow has had at least one gert gash in the metalwork.

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Postby joe gilmartin » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:10 am

A Couple shots just out of the paint shop
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Off side


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Now to trash her up a bit...........

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