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Japanese track - Tomix/Kato

Postby rue_d_etropal » Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:19 pm

does anyone have any experience with Japanese N gauge track in particular Tomix, as they do a 103mm radius track and points slightly greatere, with tram type inserts. Can not see whether rail is steel or nichol silver?
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Postby Glen A » Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:06 pm

Haven't used it my self, but I have seen some ages ago.
It was expensive stuff then, good quality, so I doubt it would be just plain steel.

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:59 am

I've ordered an oval of 103mm radius track, plus tram inserts, so wil be looking for a shoebox to fit them in, otherwise a box file will have to do. 8)
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Postby Steve Bennett » Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:42 am

:shock: 103mm radius, that sounds interesting. Never realised they went that tight, please report back when you get it Simon, could be very useful.
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:37 pm

in fact there are 3 radii in the Tomix range, 103, 140 and 177 I think. There are points in the middle one, and the tramway inserts fit the point(except between the moving part) .
I am tempted by the points, but thought I would try the 103mm track first, especially as I am building another cardboard box G9 layout, using 2 fruitboxes, and using Peco setrack. Design for this is a simple circle with a second hahf circle as lop off two points, whatt I am thinking of describing as a 'Pizza with a Smile' :lol:
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Postby Steve Bennett » Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:18 pm

rue_d_etropal wrote:whatt I am thinking of describing as a 'Pizza with a Smile' :lol:


:lol: I like that, good description :lol:
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Postby MOG » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:54 am

Simon, where did you order it from - UK?

I was looking at this after seeing this wonderful little 'pizza'..

http://carendt.com/scrapbook/page55/index.html
http://www.k4.dion.ne.jp/%7Eksn/model/saikatsu_tramway.htm

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:05 pm

came direct from Japan, via eBay. can't remember name, but should be easy to locate on ebay.
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Postby Catweasel » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:37 pm

You should find what you're looking for here.
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Plaza-Japan
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Postby MOG » Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:46 am

Thanks for that.. I had found an online shop in Germany but I think this works out cheaper once you take postage rates into account.
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:28 pm

Here's is the first photo showing Tomix track -103mm radius, amaazingly loco and short wagons still run round
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and I found a suitable box
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I plan to have the inlaid track visable and the standard track hidden in a building. I am Gnot as impressed by the tram sections as hoped, as the bit between rails is loose, so needs glueing in place - I could have done that with a piece of plasticard myself, so I will use sections as templates in future.
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Postby Steve Bennett » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:57 pm

Looks very good Simon, very tempted myself. As for the inserts, although they would probably be quite easy to make yourself, is it worth the effort, especially for the curved part.

The train looks good from the overhead shot, have you got any ground level pics of it. I can guess how you did the wagons, I have some just like them, but it would be nice to see more of the loco :wink:. It looks like something that could work on a Bachmann Plymouth, which for me has a slight edge over the Kato performance wise, though not so easy to build something on.

It's good to see another giving Gnine a try, it really is a nice size to play with. I'm really enjoying messing around with it, I have to confess, it's probably the most fun I have had for quite some time, how sad is that :) .
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:06 pm

Steve, sorry no more photos as yet, basicly took a couple tonight as I just receiverd track in post. Thius is the loco that ran at an estimated 2mph today, so I think that is a pretty good performance, and would be interested to see Bachmann one running that well.
The body is a bit bigger than necessary as I originally thought extra weight would be required for good running. I have another loco which is basicallty a shed type structure, and I would like to build sopmething which shows the motor is really small, possibly a motorised trolley. I didn't think the Tomix track would allow a train of wagons to run, so a simple trolley woth a driver at one end was planned.


Just remembered Steve, the body of the loco in picture is based on the Wills 4mm scale corrugated iron lamp hut :roll:
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Postby Steve Bennett » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:33 pm

rue_d_etropal wrote:Just remembered Steve, the body of the loco in picture is based on the Wills 4mm scale corrugated iron lamp hut :roll:


Now you mention it, I can see it, the mounting point for the air vent is a giveaway :) . Good bit of lateral thinking :) .

The Bachmann Plymouth will run just as slow as the Kato and is a little less sensitive to the controller, so the changes in speed are more gradual, making it a slightly better option on a shunting/switching layout. On a continuous run, there is very little to choose between them, though the Bachmann has better traction and will pull more. There really isnt much in it, down to personal preference really, I use both and wouldnt hesitate to recommend either.

I have in mind a loco similar to the one at Bekonscot, which I think is a Maxitrack (Hunslet?) and from the overhead view, yours has a similar feel to it. The bonnet is a different shape, but layout wise, pretty much the same.
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:05 pm

box layout up and running, will post photos as soon as I remember to bring camera into shop. :lol:
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:20 am

photos as promised
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currently building cardbard skip to partly hide track at back.
loco is Kato powered with bits from Cambrian Simplex, and driver from mechanics set(sold as 1/24, but looks nearer 1/20)
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Postby Steve Bennett » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:47 am

I really like this Simon, what a great idea. It suits a cardboard box perfectly and even though the building takes up a lot of space, it still leaves plenty of room for adding more scenic detail, without overpowering the scene. A very nicely balanced setting, I'm very tempted to try something similar to display my Gnine range. Like the little loco a lot aswell, basic and functional, with the look of something that could have been built in the local engineers workshop. Lovely, hope you have a few more pics to post :) not a very subtle hint :wink: .
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:04 pm

I will take some more pictures when i have added more bits such as skip. I have set it up in shop, and have it running continuously . motor gets hot, posibly not enough ventilation, but worried might get damaged if run too much
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Postby Steve Bennett » Sat Aug 04, 2007 4:35 pm

rue_d_etropal wrote:I have set it up in shop, and have it running continuously . motor gets hot, posibly not enough ventilation, but worried might get damaged if run too much


Are you running it with a feedback controller? that will cause the motor to run hot. Certainly for continuous running, a straight DC controller is better and it will run cooler.
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:20 pm

it's a bog standard Hornby trainset controller I have in the shop. Must admit train was running for most of the day, so wasn't surprised at it getting warm
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Postby Steve Bennett » Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:36 am

Not too surprising it got warm running all day :) . If you plan on doing that on regular basis, I would suggest building something on a Bachmann Plymouth, they are much more robust than the Kato and will last a lot longer under those sorts of conditions.
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