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Postby demaine22 » Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:52 pm

Bit of progress on the kiln. Made from a white-metal back2bay6 barrel and the end of a pen, as Steve said earlier about his efforts, this design of kiln saves a lot of space and suits the small environment, plus I agreed with Peter's comments other designs being harder to identify.

Now I'm at the stage of adding rust and grime, burnt umber and bright orange dabbed straight on to primer and black under coat form my base - top of the chimney in these pics hasn't been painted yet...I needed to hold it somewhere...8)

Next stage is to play with washes and maybe chalks till I'm happy with the kilns appearance.

More soon...

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Postby demaine22 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:33 pm

More kiln progress...quite a bit of chalks/pastels on this, lots of blending together and mucky fingers, then all sealed together when I was filthy enough.

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Quite pleased with this, may add some more shading when everything settles and dries.

Tried some different settings on the camera...definately need more light in this house :lol:
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Postby Steve Bennett » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:17 pm

demaine22 wrote:More kiln progress...quite a bit of chalks/pastels on this, lots of blending together and mucky fingers, then all sealed together when I was filthy enough.


Certainly looking the part now Simon, good work on the weathering.


Tried some different settings on the camera...definately need more light in this house :lol:


Natural light is hard to come by at this time of year.
It's much easier to get consistant results with artificial light on small pieces like this. Then it doesnt matter what time of day or night or if the sun is shining, the light is always the same.
Will do a post on my simple setup at the weekend.
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Postby demaine22 » Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:20 am

Thank you Steve,

I quite enjoyed messing around with different inks and pastels until I was happy with what I had.

I look forward to seeing your camera set-up, hopefully give me some ideas. 8)
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Postby Simon Andrews » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:47 pm

Nice work Simon. Looking forward to the next update.

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Postby demaine22 » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:04 pm

Thanks Simon 8),

This whole project has been a great learning curve, and getting results like this helps maintain the momentum.

Last night I started work on the amended scenery, using old brush bristles, basket liner, sea moss, scatter and foam. I have also made a base for the kiln from foamboard and filler, which needs painting and weathering to look more like concrete, and I need to add some ash around the bottom...I think I may put a fuel can nearby too...just to annoy 'elf and safety. :twisted:

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Another idea for a small cameo is to have a pile or container of logs in the right corner. I like just having the kiln in the centre. The log store is still around but I prefer this stripped back approach – too much on the scene will ruin it in my opinion.

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This close-up shows the kiln and a small wagon I have been working on a little closer, the wagon is a black dog chassis, with a balsa body, it's still being messed with at the moment, not too sure on the blocks acting as ballast on the bottom...they make the wagon look much wider.

EDIT: Also just noticed I need to hoover the stray hairs/strands off the layout too! :roll:
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Postby demaine22 » Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:08 am

Thought I'd turn my attention to messing with the bits I got from Steve ages ago at MOMING this year.

The brake handle is from my Tiny kit, and sits nicely on the centre of the pen I cut up for use with the kiln...bit of recycling there.

Adding details comes next...8)

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Postby Steve Bennett » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:01 pm

demaine22 wrote:Thought I'd turn my attention to messing with the bits I got from Steve ages ago at MOMING this year.


I had better not comment on the time it took, I have a couple of similar hybrid loco's that I put together before MOMING which are still waiting to be finished :lol:

I like the new stripped down version of the layout, has a nice open feel to it, but with enough to make it interesting. A few more small bits and pieces lying around will finish it off quite nicely.
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Postby demaine22 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:34 pm

Steve Bennett wrote:I like the new stripped down version of the layout, has a nice open feel to it, but with enough to make it interesting. A few more small bits and pieces lying around will finish it off quite nicely.


Thanks Steve, seeing the simple approaches of others made me want to pull everything back a little. I want to focus attention on the centre but still have life on the outside. Making one of these layouts is quite theraputic - I'm quite tempted by the oval set you used for your tail chaser - one thing at a time though. 8)

I have to admit the amount of time it took to get those loco bits together was pretty poor! :lol:
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Postby demaine22 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:20 am

Christmas called for a short modelling break recently, but I couldn't stay away for long after seeing the lovely work Barry, Gerry and Bob have all been doing recently and so last night I sat with Little Kiln for a couple of hours.

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I've made subtle additions, the scrap-wood pile seems to be acumilating on the right...with a bit of foliage next to it.

Eddie has bought a new hat...and clearly suffering as he is a little grey...

I think the Kiln needs a bit more of a trodden path to it, and maybe some weeds etc need to appear now 8)
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Postby Gerry Bullock » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:25 pm

Looking good Simon, however maybe this photo will help with your woodpile as charcoal burning is mostly done with Hornbeam which produces the best charcoal.
The logs are waiting to be used in the Essex Wildlife Trust Kiln in Pound Wood Thundersley.

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Postby demaine22 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:05 am

Thanks for that Gerry...that gives me and idea! :twisted:
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Postby demaine22 » Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:00 am

8) Too long have I been away from Gnine...and it seems the idea Gerry gave me has plagued me for over a year!

The original version of Little Kiln was scrapped midway through last year – I never liked the base to be honest, so I decided to go back to the beginning and try again.

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I'm lucky to work in a publishing office...I seem to get an endless amount of cardboard boxes through the door at the end of each month, most of which end up back at my house...

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Once I was happy with the 240mm square base, I surrounded it with 2mm card to neaten the edges, the surround is 20mm high and comes to the same height as the rail...lucky guess...

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In total one cardboard box was used to make Little Kiln MK2. The remains were sliced up and thrown about to make filling the centre a lot easier! The power to the track is now much neater and I can simply plug in my controller and go...which is the whole idea with this little layout.

Today will see the purchase of some light filler and watercolour paper ready for the scenic work. I have really enjoyed coming back to this so far, and the centre is hopefully going to be something a little different to what is expected ;)
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Postby Gerry Bullock » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:35 am

The start of MKII is looking good Simon, will be interested to see how it develops regardless of my comment. :wink:
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Postby Simon Andrews » Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:30 pm

I will be keeping an eye on your progress. RAMMA Wood will feature a charcoal burning scene inspired by your previous posts.

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Postby demaine22 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:50 am

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In an effort to encourage younger minds, I worked with the boy on adding tissue paper to pva with water and filling in areas of the layout...just to get messy and have fun really.

I'll go over this terrain again to level everything up but the boy enjoyed helping me and watching the locos go around. Shamefully an O9 one is whizzing round in the photo!

I have some dirt to sieve and 'logs' to cut now....
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Postby demaine22 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:03 am

After a couple of evenings work the layout now has a base colour, covered in dirt, and the scene around it is starting to slowly take shape.

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I ran out of Burnt umber, so had to settle for burnt sienna with a black ink wash, I had little intention of showing the colour afterwards anyway, I just wanted and alternative to white tissue poking up :)

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The colour is actually nice and effective around the rails, so I didn't wash that with ink.

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This blurry picture ow shows another evenings work, dirt carefully sieved over PVA and water, taking care around the rails afterwards using cotton buds and rubbing alcohol. Once the first layer was dry, I applied another with more dirt, then sprayed dilute PVA over the top to seal the deal.

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Then it was time to test the theory of my layout design...I need a lot more logs...

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And here we see the idea coming together – I need to gather a lot more sticks on my next walk with the dog!

Grass will be added after I have the centre piece completed – it's good to be working on this again - why does Gnine keep drawing me back...?
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Postby Gerry Bullock » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:48 pm

Oh Simon,
Your wood in relation to your small kiln is mega large.
The Kiln I posted awhile back is 8' in diameter and is filled initially on a spoke type layout with Hornbeam of around 4-6" dia 4' long then after a few layers smaller pieces around 14" long are added until kiln is full.
Wood for your kiln should be in length < half diameter of your Kiln and around 2-3mm in diameter.
Having said that you probably won't find too many Charcoal Burners visiting Model Rail Shows :wink:
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Postby demaine22 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:59 pm

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Hi Gerry,

Thankfully the logs are not stuck in place, and are easily replaced :twisted:

I'll be keeping in mind the dimensions etc when I look for more sticks later! Thanks for the heads up! 8)
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Postby henrix72se » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:50 pm

May I suggest flower sticks from your local garden shop, much cheaper then at a hobby shop.

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Postby demaine22 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:24 pm

Ah nice idea Henrik, Ill have a gender at the weekend :)
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Postby Simon Andrews » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:19 pm

Simon,

Looking good 8) Like the ground cover, started on my new layout at the weekend, not so good as yours :roll:

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Postby henrix72se » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:17 am

When you got them, use a steel brush or dremel tool or equal if you have it and brush along the sticks until you got strokes all over. Paint with a mixture of 1 part paint to 10 parts car window washer fluid. I use a mixture of brown and gray, usually Tamiya acrylics, but I guess any acrylic colour would do. Cut them of in pieces the last thing you do when dry. The light mixture makes the paint soak in a bit with a nice texture and not look as a layer on top, more as part of the wood bark.

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Postby demaine22 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:49 pm

Simon Andrews wrote:Looking good Like the ground cover, started on my new layout at the weekend, not so good as yours


Thank you Simon, I'm sure your scenics will come out as great as always once you've finished!


henrix72se wrote:When you got them, use a steel brush or dremel tool or equal if you have it and brush along the sticks until you got strokes all over. Paint with a mixture of 1 part paint to 10 parts car window washer fluid. I use a mixture of brown and gray, usually Tamiya acrylics, but I guess any acrylic colour would do. Cut them of in pieces the last thing you do when dry. The light mixture makes the paint soak in a bit with a nice texture and not look as a layer on top, more as part of the wood bark.


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Postby demaine22 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:17 am

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New shorter and thinner 'logs' starting to appear now...despite the blurry photo is this an improvement? In the end the pile will widen and get larger until the loco is hidden around the back...
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