Ideas for new Kato tramway track

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Ideas for new Kato tramway track

Postby rue_d_etropal » Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:04 pm

Although I am overburdened with ideas I have recently come across the new Kato N gauge tramway point double crossing, and now wonder if I can design a plausible layout using it. Unfortunately no simple tramway points announced yet, but also wondered if the Kato layout would cut up.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNITRAM-Street-Track-Electric-Turnout-180mm-7-4-5-Right-Kato-40-211-/360617906982?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item53f6809326
Thinking something like an industrial yard/factory, or maybe inside a building such as a hospital, but would double track be justified. Two trains passing might be tricky, but would add to operating interest.
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Postby demaine22 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:06 pm

That caught my eye the other day Si :twisted:

Simplicity sidings just got complicated! :wink:
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:39 pm

I think I have an idea for a layout, and it should fit in one APA box! 8)
Using a RH and LH unit tail to tail, and a return loop each end using the inside track, with 2 sidings each end , should just fit. Might have to mix/match other track with Kato to fit. Would use longer depth as base(37cm by 70cm)
That would then allow continuous running and shunting. Not too sure which scale as I like 1/32 at the moment.
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:52 am

here's a rough plan, think it will fit in box
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Postby dingbat2d » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:53 am

Now you've got me thinking .... but that's why I'm here. There's no such thing as too much inspiration?
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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:39 am

A double twisted oval :) Like two joined figure of eights :D

I've squirrelled that trackplan away for further contemplation 8) :mrgreen:

I know this won't fit in the box, but my initial thought is join the sidings at each end together to make loops, add some track detection and auto point switching, and you've got the start of a 'rabbit warren' layout. With a few bits of logic and counters you could keep the spectators guessing where the train is going to head next! 8)

I'd never have seen that possibility without your trackplan Simon :D
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:51 pm

Barry, I think it might fit in the box. I have not drawn it very well. I might try again in scale proportions.
The pointwork is very small, and there are 11cm radius curves available.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNITRACK-Compact-R117mm-4-5-8-Radius-45-Curve-Track-Kato-20-176-N-scale-/200906761376?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item2ec6f9e4a0


The outside radius is under 18cm, so the return loops should fit in. Might be a bit of track cutting. And I was thinking of have base as a base not the back panel as done in the Gn15 boxes.
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Just done a recalc, and using the 11cm track, overall length would be slightly over long, but no problem a curved end/bow to each end will give just enough space. I do like a challenge. :lol:
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Postby More_Cats_Than_Sense » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:29 pm

rue_d_etropal wrote: ......there are 11cm radius curves available.


I was guessing about the overall size :wink:

I used the 11cm radius curves on PG Wood House, which has a width of 12 inches :) Plenty of room to spare :mrgreen:

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I was looking at the available track for a possible idea I've had and noticed that they also do a single crossing and a double crossing plus they do an infill set for the normal Tomix track, which might come in handy. I do have some Tomix track that I bought a while ago, but I don't have any of their tram track, think I have some of the infill sections though.

This place is great for starting off thought processes in your head when you've got too many to start with!

I shall be keeping an eye on what you produce from these units Simon, you do tend to come up with some interesting layouts :D
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:26 am

not sure when this project will even start, but once I have some money I might order the track.
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:46 pm

typical, when I have the cash to buy the track, it is sold out. It does not seem to be available from UK suppliers yet. No matter I have other projects to get on with.
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Postby steerngo » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:06 pm

Just wish the tracks were 16.5 mm instead of 9mm

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:29 pm

there is another system with tram tracks 16.5mm gauge, Tillig Luna . I have a couple of the points.
http://www.conrad-uk.com/ce/en/overview/1606327/
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Thu May 16, 2013 8:50 am

just received the Kato pointwork. Chose to try only one set. Also wanted to see if Tomix would connect and it does with mods.
Anyway it is not quite possible to fit track into APA box, but by stretching where curves protrude it will fit, just. Plan is basically the left side of my original, with a simple return loop on the other end.

Just waiting for Tomix track from Japan. Hopefully it ill have arrived by time I get back from France in a couple of weeks. First project will be 1/32 not 1/24, but if successful might consider a G9 version.
The Kato instructions, hint that there is a point motor in the point. Terminology is a bit confusing when the word 'switch' is used. There is a electrical lead, but only 2 wires. Normally I would expect 3 wires, unless Kato have been clever and used a different type of point motor. Does anyone know?
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Postby John S » Thu May 16, 2013 8:05 pm

Simon,

The point motors operate as two wire, requiring a DC Voltage of between 8V and no more than 12V, min 500ma to max of 1amp.

On my little APA layout couple of photos, point motor control is via DPDT switch's wired as a reversing switch, have a momentary push to make button to make the connection between the 12V positive of the input transformer and the positive middle contact on the DPDT switch, so the power is off until the the button is pushed.

To operate, switch the DPDT up or down, depending on which way the point is required to switch, then push the push to make to complete the circuit.

Reads more complicated than it is! :roll:

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Postby demaine22 » Fri May 17, 2013 8:29 am

Hi John,

I don't suppose there is more info on your APA layout available anywhere? Scale/Theme etc?

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:26 pm

when I got home from France this week there was a package from Japan, with all the Tomix tramway track I needed to complete my little layout.
Last night I started cutting some of it to fit geometry.
Rail used by Tomix is slightly different to that used by Kato. Tomix track rail has a base wider than standard N gauge, so have to use bigger rail joiners. The Peco OO finescale ones are just right. Some need to be shortened, but I have managed to connect the two types of track OK. Just a couple of straight sections to add using plain Peco rail, then I can test it out.
I intend to extend base for track beyond ends of box, with a curved wall to hide the track.
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:34 pm

managed to test track tonight. Loosely fitted together but Kato powered loco ran well. Sharp curves, especially combined with reverse curves caused a couple of problems with some of my 4 wheel wagons, but bogie wagons ran OK, so might only use them.
I was wondering if using a bogie powered chassis might run better, but would the Kato 107 unit go round the sharp Tomix track?
Advantage of using a bogie powered chassis would be that the couplings being attached to the bogies have less sideway play on curves, o less likely to foul. The Arnold type couplings might not look that good, but they are simple and already on wagons and locos. I will only change them if I have more problems
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