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Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby Mark Goodwin » Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:18 am

Info for those who model in 1/35 scale

Mike Rayner (Smallbrook Studios) has produced a series of 1/35 scale locos. There's two steam locos, one completely new "Plymouth" diesel and a Baguely diesel stem outline.

The modelling potential is vast in this scale - I've just been looking at the building models available from e bay made by "Miniart" - not to mention the military vehicle and figure conversion possibilities. I've ordered a"Cock Robin" to see how this scale/gauge combination works. I'll post developments in this forum.

A link to his site is here: http://www.smallbrookstudio.co.uk/produ ... 1-32-scale.

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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby NotHarryPotter » Mon Jan 05, 2015 6:48 am

Hi Mark,

I have been collecting Miniart building kits (mostly the industrial ones) and dabbling in 1/35n2 for a long while, but not enough yet to result in a layout. There are some great detail parts intended for military dioramas from brands like Verlinden, Plusmodel and Diopark. Civilian figures are available, but mostly European civilians and while beautifully detailed they can be pricey. Miniart (who have experienced production and distribution problems owing to the war in the Ukraine) are bringing out some nice 1930s-40s passengers.

Christopher Payne's articles in Railway Modeller in the 1990s on the brilliant layout Portpyn is well worth following up, along with the accompanying articles on the loco conversions he did using Hornby O-4-Os and such. If you need specifics on issues needed let me know.

It is a fun scale/gauge combination...like Gn15 a fair amount of work, but definitely rewarding :D
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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby rue_d_etropal » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:11 am

There is a big interest in 1/35 scale narrow gauge at the moment. Surprisingly few in UK, but the WW1 centenary is giving it publicity. At Apedale we had as many 1/35th scale as other scale layouts. My WW1 models are available on Shapeways.

The new Smallbrook locos look like stretched versions of the O scale ones. Nothing wrong in that, and I seem to remember someone suggesting that on one forum. Seeing them there, also helps me as it gives a benchmark price for this scale. The more manufacturers in this scale the better. The Smallbrook models look suitable for both 1/32 (50cm or 20in gauge) or 1/35(60cm or 2ft gauge).
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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby Mark Goodwin » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:38 pm

Fellow modellers,

I've been working on the "Smallbrook Models" cock Robin 1/35th scale Hunslet type and here's the result:

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The wagons behind the above photo are smallbrook studios 7mm narrow gauge wagons. They appear to work well in 1/35th.

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I've added a few details from other manufacturers, so here are the acknowledgements:
Buffer beam, smokebox door hinge and rear cab coal hatch detail: That's me
Coupler pocket for No 5 Kadee: Steve Bennet Pepper 7 casting
Brass Whistle: Wiseman model services ON30 brass chime whistle - excellent casting
Spectacle plates are from an unknown manufacturer designed for shop model portholes. I like the brass surround and they come complete with glazing.
Crew: "Miniart 1/35 German tank crew working" figure with a bit of "milliput" to disguise his military cap.
Cross head detail: obtained from a Bachmann 0-4-0 "greg" model used for spares. I think cross heads vastly improve the Hornby "Smokey Joe chassis. I believe Mike Rayner is working on producing an 0-4-0 "Smokey Joe" replacement. Can anyone out there make a cross head conversion kit for this chassis ?

I have name and makers plates on order from "Narrow Planet". When they arrive, I'll post some more photos. I like the potential for this scale. The paint finish is by dry brushing and blending techniques using "Vallejo" acyrilics. For some reason, I just can't seem to get on with airbrushing.

That's it for now, happy modelling
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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby Mark Goodwin » Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:29 pm

Final post in this series,

Name and works plates have arrived from narrow planet (excellent service).

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Does anyone else model in 1/35th scale ? Mike was saying the response to the 1/35th kits he recently introduced has been disappointing. I personally think this scale is worth considering simply because of the range of material available from the military modelling scene. There's a lot of development going on and civilian figures are becoming more available. The work coming out of east Europe has been outstanding. Right, that's it, rant over, happy modelling.
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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby rue_d_etropal » Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:29 am

There are definitely railway modellers working in 1/35th (and 1/32nd) scale narrow gauge. As one of them, I do follow what is online, but there are not many layouts in this scale at exhibitions. Military modellers at the moment may be interested in anything WW1 themed, but I think are more interested in 'dead scale' models of real stuff rather than freelance items. Nothing wrong in that, but it does reduce market for railway modellers, who are not adverse to a bit of freelance. Currently I am caught up in the WW1 commemoration, but plan to move onto to something else next year.

It is a pity 1/35 and 1/32 are not getting more people interested, as it fits in with other hobbies, not just the military modelling, but all the farmyard toys and models produced by companies such as Britains. It would make a very good entry point into the hobby for youngsters. I think Marklin did consider something many years ago, but then Fleischmann tried their O scale Magic Train which ultimately did not have as much commercial interest as it was hoped. Maybe Fleischmann should have gone for 1/32nd scale, as the models they actually produced are large prototypes so are pretty close to 1/32nd scale size.

I wonder if there are enough people interested who are prepared to buy a complete loco body, but might be happy to buy some conversion parts, cab etc. Maybe the interest is split between those who want to adapt cheap models, and potentially those who want something r2r, maybe aimed at the younger market.
It will be interesting to see what happens with the new range Bachmann are planning for a narrow gauge Thomas OO9 range in USA. One of the hurdles for model railways is the space required now for a trainset type layout and we all know narrow gauge can be fitted into a smaller space, so might be easier in modern(smaller) homes.
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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby Mark Goodwin » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:32 pm

Hi Simon,

I agree with everything you say and manufacturers are moving ahead with some classic narrow gauge models. Peco's Lynton & Barnstable range, and I think Bachmann may be producing an 009 Baldwin soon, are examples.

I also like your shapeways castings, particularly the tram track.

Meanwhile, I found this online: http://www.hglw.co.uk/
I believe this range has been mentioned before, but with the price for a loco for 45mm or 32mm gauge is 29.50 pounds (sorry, writing on a Canadian keyboard), this is outstanding value. I'll be ordering one as soon as I get the postage costs from David Hippey.

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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby rue_d_etropal » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:17 pm

Mark,
thanks for the complement.
The larger scales such have advantage of being able to use low cost materials such as wood and compressed card. OO9 has the advantage of small size, making 3D printing actually viable. 1/35 scale is in between , and is not cheep to 3D print. Looking at over 4 times price of OO9, with a fair bit of modification.
The new r2r OO9 models are generating a lot of interest. The planned Thomas range especially, and I think it has been pretty well confirmed the wagons will be from Peco. Pity in some ways, as some new ones from Bachmann would be interesting, but if it cuts the cost of introducing a narrow gauge range for youngsters then that is fine.
All that is needed for a start up in 1/35 or 1/32 is something a bit like the Fleischmann Magic Train diesel. It is actually big enough to fit a Siku 1/32 tractor driver. The Lima shunter would make a good start with a bigger cab/body. I am tempted to try and design something to 3D print, which just replaces the Lima body, but I don't think it would be cheap enough. It really needs one of the big manufacturers to look at possibility of a small range and basic train set.
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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby KEG » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:15 am

That smallbrook MUFFIN looks beautiful. As we are used to, whenever Mark Goodwin puts his hands and talents on a kit.

Standard Gauge models, 1 ; 32 scale on 45mm track seems to have quite many followers. So there the smaller narrow Gauge cousins seen in that scale here and there at exibitions. The UK company ScaleLink offers some very good kits of WW 1 models.

Quite successful, for those who can afford it, is the 750mm prototype of the German TSSD, made by KM 1 : http://www.km-1.de/html/tssd.html

Those with smaller pockets wishing to model in 1 : 32 / 35, probably have to look around on the Underground Market.
There are kits and parts available. One of the better examples is Helmut Hinterfrieses Island Layout, documented here:
http://www.kostenloses-forum.com/board/hinterfriesische-inselbahn-luetgeoog-,nxu,01642644nx1878,t,5721,start,50.html

Some years ago, the German maker Lokfuehrer Lukas, tried to promote narrow Gauge models in approx 1 : 32, running on 16,5 mm gauge track. http://www.die-feldbahnsinnigen.de/forum/download/file.php?id=810&mode=view
Commercial they were not very successful.


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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby rue_d_etropal » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:09 am

The Scalelink models are very good, but 1/32 is not the preferred scale for military modelling, and 16.5mm equates to 60cm in 1/35th scale. I am not counting rivets, but military modellers seem to like doing so.
Having said that 1/32 is a popular scale(farms, motor racing, soldiers), and I have found that Marklin did do a narrow gauge range on 16.5mm track. I think it was originally planned to be 1/32(I remember seeing an announcement in magazines many years ago) but all references of items produced refer to Oe, ie O scale. The prototypes are big, so might suit bigger scale. The coaches certainly look chunky. I think if they had gone with 1/32 it might have been more popular. Having something that covers both the toy and specialist market is what is needed.
It might be that 1/32 scale is too close to one end of G scale(gauge) so is not different enough, but a chunky 1/32 scale(?) might be close enough and could even give Gn15 an entry point. :idea:

Could not access one of those forums, Juergen, as I did not have permission (closed not open forum)
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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby KEG » Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:17 am

Maerklin introduced the MINEX Bahn in the early Seventies: http://www.mist-mittelrhein.de/MINEX.htm

They seemed to be much larger than the 0 narrow Gauge models. Some people I knew used them along their Standard Gauge 1 : 32 to represent 750/ 760 mm narrow gauge.

1 : 35 scale seems to be popular for plastic military models models, but traditional car of figure collectors used to use 1 : 32 scale (54mm figures).

Those links I posted refer to open forums, or at least those parts I posted, do not need a password. Try a different browser, if it does not work for you.

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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby rue_d_etropal » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:12 pm

So it was the Minex range I originally saw advertised. I think that they could represent 50 or 60cm gauge in 1/32. They do come up second hand on ebay. The locos would need converting to 2 rail, but the coaches and wagons might only need a wheel change.
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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby tebee » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:56 pm

On of the nice things about 3-d printing is the ease at which you can change the size. I'm planing on producing 1:35 versions of the On16 wagons I do. Unfortunately I've been having problems getting them to print successfully and with my recent health problems not been in a state to sort it out. However I had some good news on my health the other day and today had the first print to come out ok though it's not 100% yet.

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Designed to fit a Hornby or similar Chassis, though I intend to do one based on the Gn15 range to fit too.

it's 49mm wide so around 5ft scale - price should be around £8

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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby rue_d_etropal » Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:24 pm

nice one Tom, just what I was thinking was needed. I assume it just sits on chassis. I was thinking of something that clipped onto chassis. That would then make it chassis dependent, but might suit the non modeller .
I remember a range of O scale wagon bodies that fitted Hornby chassis, and came with a box big enough to fit the complete wagon. I sold them to a friend on here a while back. It was a company in Midlands, and there was also another range for O9. Not sure if that was the same as what Howard does now.

Thinking about the new wagon body, I think this means we might have now gone full circle. When Tom first started talking about 3D printing, there was some discussion as to whether it should just be a body which fits propriety chassis(my preference) or a complete body and chassis which is what Tom started to produce.
It has given me some ideas though.

Just looked at the Dapol wagon chassis. This might be the most suitable, partly because it can easily be bought, and it has NEM coupling pockets, I think.
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The extra parts bulking up the chassis hide its OO origins
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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby tebee » Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:39 pm

There is a reason it just sits on the chassis - in this home printing it's much easier if you don't have to use support marital and just work off a flat surface - rather like resin casting.

The problem I'm having with them is that because it's a large mass of plastic it shrinks when it cools - this tends to lift the corners off the build plate and you end up with a slightly curved bottom - in about 50% of them it's enough to make me stick it in the reject bin - you can see the once in the photo is slightly curved. I might have to go back to printing them flat packed, but you lose the detail on the inside then.

It is possible to make a frame to fit round the OO chassis to give it some more meat by printing it upside down - so you have two parts the body printed upwards and the underframe printed down. It not that much more effort/time/cost to print the axleboxs/w irons at the same time and then you have a complete chassis and don't have to buy a Dapol one.

Here is an example of a US style wagon done like that - also in 1:35 - the floor is one print, the underframe with the bogie bolsters another - the truss rods are yet another part.

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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby rue_d_etropal » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:39 pm

Tom, I think all this discussion about 3D printing is fantastic. It highlights the big difference between home printing and commercial printing. Both have their advantages. I noticed Shapeways have introduced some new pricing, and options to get items quicker so the world of 3D printing is still evolving.
My line of thought was to look for some way to create a r2r trainset , or something non modellers could put together. Costs my way may well be far too high, but if I treat it as a sort of prototype, maybe someone would see the potential using tradition manufacturing.
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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby tebee » Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:42 am

To get back on subject a bit more, I wonder what it will take to get 1:35 to take off ? It's a nice scale, but not many use it. Of the stuff I sell on Shapeways in this scale I've sold much more to Germany, than to the UK. But Shapeways stuff is expensive in this size, so maybe that's just a refection of the relative disposable incomes.

There seems more interest in this scale in the US too I've noticed.

I'll have a few of the wagons and coaches at Rainford if anyone wants to come and see or even buy. Maybe I'll have to do a demonstration line and buy a few of the Smallbrook locos myself ( they are cheaper that my Shapeways ones, even to me!)

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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby fatmac » Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:05 am

I think the confusion of 1/32 or 1/35 is the problem. (Not sure which it is meant to be, same problem with it in Gauge 1.)
More exposure will give it more promenance - who has a layout to show off(?) :)
I think this scale would work well for a 'micro'.
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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby tebee » Thu Apr 02, 2015 2:02 pm

But G gauge also suffers from the same plethora of scales ( I've seen it used for everything from 1:19-1:29) and it does not seem to affect the popularity of that.

I admit it might put off some of the fine scale modellers, but there should be plenty of others - maybe the all just gravitate to Gn15 instead so I shouldn't complain.

I don't think you can blame lack of commercial support either - much from other scale will work too. Steve's wagons in Gn15 are on the small side and would work fine as 1:32/35 ones, I suspect some of the locos could be used without much modification. So that the industrial stuff sorted out. Smallbrooks new range provides some larger locos.
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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby rue_d_etropal » Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:06 pm

I have seen quite a bit in 1/35 in Australia, with conversions for some of the Bachmann locos.
Much can be shared between 1/32 and 1/35, and it is said some of the military kits are in scales inbetween.
From a marketing point of view, I would say they are treated separately, with many military modellers using 1/35, although aircraft tend to be 1/32 scale. As I said before 1/32 is more the province of farm models, and car racing, but Marklin adopted the the accepted scale for its gauge 1 trains.

Gauge 1 is now split between two scales 1/32 and 10mm/ft(1/30), which is I suspect why G now stretches down to 1/29 scale.
Although I do mix some 1/35 and 1/32 scale models, from a railway point of view I am treating them as two different scales, with 1/35 for 60cm gauge and 1/32 for 50cm gauge. My metre gauge stuff is also 1/32 scale running on 32mm gauge track. The only trouble I will have is when I want more than one gauge, and I am planning some 45mm gauge just to confuse it even more.
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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby Broadoak » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:48 am

fatmac wrote:I think the confusion of 1/32 or 1/35 is the problem. (Not sure which it is meant to be, same problem with it in Gauge 1.)
More exposure will give it more promenance - who has a layout to show off(?) :)
I think this scale would work well for a 'micro'.


I rubber gauge between 1/32 and 1/35 scale and have exhibited my small layout for about five years, which I find is great fun. We are supposed to enjoy our modelling after all. See Two Sister's Farm Saga in the gNot Minimum Gauge section.

I also model in HO with an American switching layout which I take more seriously than my narrow gauge efforts.
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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby fatmac » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:40 am

Two Sister's Farm Saga - Yes I've been following along, interesting use of H0 diesel chassis. :)

I'm one of those people that can 'see' what they want, but can't quite get there, unfortunately. :(
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Re: Smallbrook 1/35 scale locos

Postby tebee » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:38 pm

Yes have a stall booked on the exhibition on the 18th and should have some of the 1:35 wagon bodies for sale there.

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