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7/8ths scale on 16.5mm gauge

Postby kevo » Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:01 pm

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hi all been some time since I last did a post . I wold like to know if any one has tried 7/8ths scale on 016.5 mm gauge track . or am I just mad :shock: reason being I knocked up a card mock up the other evening and use ing my 7/8ths scale people just to see if it would work
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby PeterH » Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:25 pm

Your 7/8 the people seem happy, and that's the main thing. Go on.

A few years ago Steve Bennett did a small layout in about this scale and gauge and posted photos on gnatterbox. It was a very short length of straight track with a loading/unloading platform at one end and a bit of fence at the other to hide the loco and wagon. I seem to remember it was called supersize me or upsize me. I can't see it in the gnatterbox virtual exhibition, but I may have missed it. I'll post the photos if you want.
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby chris stockdale » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:48 am

Hi Kevin,

If you'll forgive the correction O 16.5 is a scale gauge combination in itself, i.e. 7mm scale on 16.5mm track which equates to just over 2' 4".

Steve's 'Supersize me' is 1/12 scale on 16.5mm gauge to represent 7 1/4" gauge. You can find the thread here:

http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=5612

I like the look of your card loco. 7/8ths scale on 16.5mm track comes out at around 10.6" gauge if my calculations are correct, so pretty close to representing 10 1/4" gauge. Plenty of scope there.

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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby kevo » Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:15 am

thanks peter and chris that is just what I was looking for brilliant :) I had been building 2 locos in 7/8ths one bash is a lgb stainz loco and the other is on a lgb pump PW trolly sill both to be finished for a small in door project . but I wanted some think that I could use the oo track which we use for our GN15 . but have the size chunky ness of the bigger scale and cheers chris on what it scales out as , I have even thought about 16mm on oo combination ?
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby chris stockdale » Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:59 am

I suspect that 16mm on 16.5mm track has been done more than once, it's 'obvious' when you think about it, but at the moment I can only think of Timpdon.

Scroll down down in this link to see...

http://www.timpdon.co.uk/timpdon/t_photo%20history.htm

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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby kevo » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:40 am

thanks chris for the link I may have a go with the 16mm on 16.5 track ive been looking at some of the small diesel kits from IP engineer ing and see that steve had used the Bachmann on30 power unit that I use a lot and that could work just as well on 16 mm locos . but ile finish the card 7/8ths combi 1st might even make a start to day cheers
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby kevo » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:49 pm

if I do have a go at the 16mm 0n 16.5 I might just do a re make of one one of my old 132 scale layouts I built a good few yrs back . it had view block all in one
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby chris stockdale » Sun Jun 11, 2017 2:14 pm

Just make those green doors on the left taller and you're pretty much there! :D

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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby kevo » Sun Jun 11, 2017 3:02 pm

yes it wouldn't take a lot keeping to the original plan I did a gn15 version as well but with a sand hooper
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby kevo » Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:48 pm

sorry chris I was just looking over some older posts of mine and I think I have shown you some of them pictures before :oops:
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby chris stockdale » Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:04 pm

kevo wrote:sorry chris I was just looking over some older posts of mine and I think I have shown you some of them pictures before :oops:


Well, yes. :D

But they're interesting photos.

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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby PeterH » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:53 am

Kevo, thanks for posting those photos. I'd seen a couple of photos of that layout on another forum and really liked it.
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby chris stockdale » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:50 am

Hi Kevo,

Are you the same Kevo on the 7/8ths Lounge?

Whatever, try this thread there (folks you need to be signed up as Lounge members to see stuff these days as it helps reduce bandwidth usage and keep out potential spammers), it shows 1/12 on 00 track.

http://www.7-8ths.info/index.php?topic=16682729.0

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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby kevo » Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:46 pm

yes chris that is me as well on the 7/8ths site thanks for the y tube links as soon as I get a bit more progress with this loco ile post some pics :D
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby kevo » Wed Jun 14, 2017 3:51 pm

thanks peter glad you liked the pics I really enjoyed making both of the layouts and regret that I had to part with them . its quite strange that I seem to stick to the same sort of layout plan even my next one will probly turn out some where between the two :roll:
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby PeterH » Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:25 pm

I don't think it's strange that you stick to the same sort of layout plan. I think that what appeals to us and how we make something is an expression of how we are inside, and this doesn't change much. All my layouts are just a short length of track, no turnouts. Well, I'm only just onto my third layout; another thing I've realised about myself is that I model slowly.
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby kevo » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:10 pm

Good true words there Peter . I soon found my footings would only be small layouts . I like to know that what I start I can within reason finish . and it dus not matter what you build so long as we enjoy it . I find now that any think over two points and I break out in panick :shock: and I doint plan every last detail of layouts I start with a idea scratch it out on paper then place some track down on a small bit of MDF and then I condence it down as small as possible . and fingers crossed it all works . and each layout I build I try to learn from any mistakes I make . I have a good few mates that like building huge layouts and they never seem to finish them . that's not for me . and I doint stick to same gauge scale etc , but nearly all ways narrow for sure :lol:
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby mad gerald » Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:49 pm

G'day all,

Just dropped in accidentally ... just in case it might be of interest - I finally came to the idea of a micro layout in 1/16 scale with a railroad running on 16,5 mm tracks, representing 10 1/4" (260 mm) gauge ...

Plan of micro layout (still only mock up from card board)
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Alan Keef style loco, as manufactured for 7 1/4" and 10 1/4" (still unfinished, scratchbuilt)
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Own construction of battery storage loco (not completed yet, scratchbuilt as well)
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby John New » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:04 pm

There is a prototype for the line through a garage and round the house quite close to me in Dorchester, Dorset, UK. 7 1/4 gauge and owned by the publisher of Miniature Railway magazine.
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby PeterH » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:34 pm

Hi Gerald, that layout mockup looks great. Though I wonder if you rotate all the buildings clockwise about 20 degrees then on the left there will be more space front to back and on the right there will be a better view down the passage, with some forced perspective there as well for free.
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby kevo » Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:52 pm

nice one Gerald funny thing I was looking at your layout the other day nice and compact . and yes it is of interest I like it .
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby kevo » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:01 pm

hi all I have had a long week end off work so when I had finished wade ing through the mrs. list of I would like done .. jobs :lol: I have grabbed some me time . I knocked together the chassi base and cab last eve . but when to day it came to the engine bonet cover, hood I had a change of mind . I had all ready been building a 45 mm gauge 7/8ths loco . I placed the bonet of this loco on the chassi of the the 7/8ths 16.5 mm loco and it fits a treat . what do you chaps think :?: looks a bit ruston LBT ish may be :)
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby mad gerald » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:42 pm

John New wrote:There is a prototype for the line through a garage and round the house quite close to me in Dorchester, Dorset, UK. 7 1/4 gauge and owned by the publisher of Miniature Railway magazine.

... waaayyy cooool! :shock:

kevo wrote:nice one Gerald funny thing I was looking at your layout the other day ...

:lol:

PeterH wrote:Hi Gerald, that layout mockup looks great.

THX

PeterH wrote:Though I wonder if you rotate all the buildings clockwise about 20 degrees then on the left there will be more space front to back and on the right there will be a better view down the passage, with some forced perspective there as well for free.

I'll think about it, but it will cause some "trouble" on the other hand ... :roll:

kevo wrote:what do you chaps think

The whole loco seems to appear a little bit chunky IMHO - especially considering the fact, that it is supposed to run on 16,5 mm track (~ 7 1/4" in 1/1 scale) ... I guess even my battery storage loco turned out to be too bulky (have eventually to customize/downsize it) ...BTW: is that (the yellow piece) a LEGO brick on starboard side??? :P Nevertheless it's your railway and your rules ...

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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby kevo » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:32 pm

:( so its a thumbs down on aprovel then . yes well spotted that is a bit of lego my scrap box is full of any think that may come in usefull .like most of us I do like to have a go now and then in other scales & gauges .I did start out to try and build in 7/8ths a small micro type layout and have ing made a start on to locos to run on 45 mm track I soon ran in to problems space wise . so that's how the dable in 16.5 mm track came about bit like you have some do GN15 and some do G9 I am not very under standing when it comes to all the scale gauge ratio stuff so if it looks ok then I am happy with that
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Re: 7/8ths on o16.5

Postby PeterH » Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:44 pm

Hi Kevo, I think it's up to you if you to decide if you like that bonnet. As they say, a bonnet on the loco is worth two in the pile of raw material. I like it. The bonnet doesn't seem to big in comparison with the size of the figure.

Your top photo above shows the general problem I see with all gn15 proportions: to make credible and useful locos and rolling stock we have to make them biggish, and therefore in a front view the track looks way to narrow. But I don't think this matters much, because we usually look at things from the side, where we don't notice the too-narrow track.
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