APA box modules in other scales.

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APA box modules in other scales.

Postby rue_d_etropal » Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:36 pm

I had another 3 APA boxes in addition to the one I used for Gn15, but did not want to build more modules.
I was wondering which of my scale/gauge combinations to use, but prefered to use 16.5mm gauge.
Not wanting to model OO standard gauge(or French HO) , I had choice of 1/12th scale or 1/35/1/32 scale. I chose the latter as I am also building a single 3ft by 2ft 1/12th scale layout, using bits from other modules.
Anyway 1/35 or 1/32 it was, depending on what stock runs.
There has been some discussion about circular layouts using the APA boxes, and I estimated a quarter circle of 2nd radius OO track(17.5in) would fit, and it does .
This would mean 3 boxes equal 3/4 circle and initially intended to use straight connecting tracks, but curved ones would complete even more of the circle. As Setrack points are 2nd radius I could easily include some pointwork. A bit more limited than what I fitted in my Gn15 module but creating a circle makes up for that.
Next question was where to put mouseholes.
If at each end then a short piece of straight track needs to be added, no problem.
I tried out having one hole in end and one in back and this nicely fits. It also changes the way you look at the track as it is not symmetrical.
I am planning to have central module with holes at each end, and each of the others with one hole in back panel . I hope this will give a pleasing overall look, which is neither flat nor too square.
One side module il have points to sidings/fiddle yard, and a point in back curves will allow trains to enter/exit in opposite direction. In practice trains will probably be allowed to go round and round, but it ill be possible to switch trains easily( an idea I copied from a friends On30 layout.
In some ways I wish I had thought of this design before building the Gn15 modules as it would have made the design more flexible, allowing both straight and circular setup, but I am not planning to change them now.

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Postby derrickn » Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:21 pm

If you go down in scale Simon,there are lots of possibilities.Here is my 09 offering.

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:24 pm

Derrick.looking forward to seeing that O9 layout some time.
As for modelling in O scale , I am not keen on it for 2ft(60cm) gauge, partly because I am planning a WW1 military module and its a lot easier in 1/35 . I don't want to hand build track and 16.5 mm looks too wide for 2ft in O scale.
I have built some 9mm gauge stuff in 1/35. Not sure if I will incorporate any in my new layouts yet.
I do have an O9 pizza payout in an old Dansette record player(wish I had not removed the player :roll: ), but no stock. I think it used the old Jouef OO9 track. I built it nearly 30 years ago, and it is still in my loft. I did build another O9 layout in about same space as an APA box, but broke that up many years ago. I was more into miniature rather than minimum gauge then
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http://www.rue-d-etropal.com

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Postby derrickn » Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:09 pm

Simon,my layout is definatly minimum gauge as oppossed to miniature,in fact i suspect some of the locos are pushing minimum gauge to the limit.
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:47 pm

My Gn15 is definitely minimum gauge(pushed to the limits). I as modelling miniature many years before the Gnatterbox was even thought about.
I did think a few years later about using old Triang TT gauge to represent 15 in gauge(miniature) in 1/32 scale as the models worked out as 1/3rd scale on 1/4 scale gauge track as per Romney line. It was about this time that I switched to minimum, and sold off the TT stock, unmodified as it did have a little bit of collectable value then. I did get one of the German TT basic sets but disappointed track radius not less than OO/HO, and so I thought it was not worth while.
I have nothing against O9 and other O scale modelling, but if you take a look at some of the plastic kit civilian figures available for 1/35 then you probably won't find better in O scale. Being plastic they can easily be modified , if necessary. Check out Mini Art, Model Box and Preiser(the 1/35 1940s range is completely different to the other Preiser figures, almost suspect someone else produced them)
http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=PR64014
http://www.mbltd.info/3567.htm
http://www.miniart-models.com/
I have some of the Model Box figures as well as the Preiser ones. Both include alternative parts, and MiniArt have a French Civilians set out soon. I have some of the Miniart building kits and being vac formed with styrene details(such as doors and windows) can easily be adapted, and there are plenty of spare parts. These models finally sealed my departure from O scale.
Military modellers are incorporating more non military bits and the manufacturers have responded.
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Postby Blackcloud Railways » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:32 am

derrickn wrote:Image

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Gnatterboxers with time on their hands and a snow shovel may like to see Derrick's layout in action on Saturday and Sunday this weekend at the Pennine MRS exhibition in Huddersfield.

http://www.freewebs.com/pmrs/exhibitiondiary.htm

I'll be there, weather permitting, with the Ferrocarril Internacional (Gno Gn15 sorry). Both layouts are hidden in the cellar, maybe the management think that us narrow gaugers are not to be trusted near bigger trains. :roll:

Anyway, if you can get there please make sure you come downstairs and say hello.

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:39 pm

Think it is also at Narrow Gauge North, certainly listed.
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http://www.rue-d-etropal.com

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Postby demaine22 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:00 pm

Derrick, your layout looks great :)
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Postby derrickn » Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:23 am

Thanks,had a great time at Huddersfield,next outing is indeed at Narrow Gauge North.
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:41 pm

hope to see you there. :lol:
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Postby derrickn » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:17 pm

Hello Simon,hope to see you there.
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:26 pm

Derrick , good to see you with layout today. As I mentioned the box actually looked smaller than other APA boxes. Must have been the effect of being on its own raised table plus being smaller scale.
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http://www.rue-d-etropal.com

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Postby derrickn » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:55 pm

Hello Simon,Good to see you again at Narrow Gauge North.About half a dozen other people said that the layout looks smaller in the flesh than it does on photos,i think you are right in that it is not usual to see the smaller scales in an APA box,and also because it is completely self contained,with no mouseholes.

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