15 / 18 inch Fairlie

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15 / 18 inch Fairlie

Postby FairlieCrazee » Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:59 am

Does anyone know if they was ever a 15 or 18 inch fairlie built ? If so has anyone got any pictures of it ?
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Postby jameswaterfield » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:59 pm

As far as I know, sadly not. I think the 2 ft gauge "Little Wonder" on the Festiniog was the tiniest. Most were 2' 6" gauge or bigger

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Postby RobM » Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:10 pm

Would make an interesting project to model though- afterall there are two 10 3/4 inch gauge garratt locos on the Wells and Walsingham railway and they look great, so why not a 15/18 inch Fairlie :wink:!
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Postby FairlieCrazee » Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:30 pm

seriously considering building one..
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Postby tebee » Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:04 am

The practical problem with a minimum gauge double fairlie is how do you fit it all into the loading gauge?

Remember in a fairlie you have the driver on one side, the fireman on the other and the boiler in the middle. It's hard enough to fit all this into the width of 2ft gauge locos - typically around 6ft, but to get it into the 5ft or so of an 18 inch gauge locos is a lot harder - unless you start breading a race of exceptionally thin loco crew !

Of course if you can find an imaginative way round this then I say let your imagination flow! Creativity is our greatest asset and I don't want to damp it down with mere practical details.

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Postby chris stockdale » Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:24 am

tebee wrote:
Remember in a fairlie you have the driver on one side, the fireman on the other and the boiler in the middle. It's hard enough to fit all this into the width of 2ft gauge locos - typically around 6ft


Unless of course Nikki is thinking of a single Fairlie...

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Postby FairlieCrazee » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:46 am

decisions decisions.... I dunno what to make now lol !
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Postby Adam Roper » Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:44 pm

Would the Péchot-Bourdon be smaller than Little Wonder?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trench_railways

Or there is always the Surrey Border and Camberley Garratt to consider
http://www.royalvictoriarailway.co.uk/trains.html

We did have a plan for a 7.25" gauge double Fairley but you would have needed to sit astride the boiler..... :shock:
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Postby rue_d_etropal » Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:06 pm

The Péchot-Bourdon is quite a wide loco. It might be possible to squeeze crew in either side.
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Postby chris stockdale » Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:11 pm

From the slightly weird and wonderful box - but take a look here for a 7 1/4" gauge single Fairlie:

http://www.stationroadsteam.com/stock%2 ... /index.htm

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:07 pm

That has more of a minimum feel than miniature. Almost Emmett, like it. 8) Would be a challenge to build chassis though.
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Postby Adrian » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:44 pm

G'day Nikki
tebee wrote:
Remember in a fairlie you have the driver on one side, the fireman on the other and the boiler in the middle. It's hard enough to fit all this into the width of 2ft gauge locos - typically around 6ft


If you like to think outside the square you could always do like a 'shay' and move the boiler to one side of the chassis and put both the crew on the other-side. of the loco. This would give a narrower loco.
This would, of course, put the centre of gravity way out of centre and I bet there are a number of other-things that I have not thought of as well but it is your railway and you are entitled to do what you want :!:

Sorry, more decisions.
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Postby bonneville » Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:01 am

I'm sure that whatever type of loco you decide on, with your skills and attention to detail, it will be a cracker!
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Postby david colley jnr » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:08 pm

I've often mused about a 15" fairlie, and the cab sizes have always put me off such an idea, especially when I was invited aboard one a couple of month ago.
I do love the idea of two separate controllable power bogie as the driver on duty explained the front bogie was slipping coming up through the woods so he left the rear driving and managed to get the front under control...
If the boiler was to be put on one side, the water could be on the opposite and so would help to balance out the loco.
It would be an odd shaped affair and be a hard job to fire as there are two fireboxes to feed, but would also be great fun!

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Postby chris stockdale » Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:02 pm

Peter Beevers is in the throes of building a 7 1/4" single Fairlie, more here:

http://pbeevers.blogspot.co.uk

and a quick mention and pic here:

http://www.pbre.co.nr/

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15" / 7 1/4" gauge Fairlies

Postby MichaelPG » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:07 pm

Another single Fairlie on 7 1/4" gauge was built for Rodney Weaver at the Echills Wood Railway - it wasn't a success and most of it has been scrapped. There's a successful one running at Beer Heights.: http://www.pecorama.info/beer-heights-l ... /claudine/

When a new loco was being proposed for Perrygrove I tentatively suggested a single Fairlie. Nobody else thought it was a good idea.

I think it might just be possible to have a 15" gauge Pechot Bourdon with the correct "one piece" Fairlie boiler. Assuming a maximum width of 54" and 28" for the fireboxes and cladding you would have 14" each side. But nobody will ever build one of these full size because it would be too wide for the Ratty and too high for everywhere else - the only place I can think of where it could run is Perrygrove and we wouldn't want it (two crew needed and a high risk of burns).

But don't be put off building a model - that's the fun of models, they can be anything you like.

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Re: 15" / 7 1/4" gauge Fairlies

Postby chris stockdale » Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:30 pm

MichaelPG wrote:Another single Fairlie on 7 1/4" gauge was built for Rodney Weaver


Hi Michael,

I assume that was MINIM, written about in The Narrow Gauge no.136. To my eye a rather ugly slab-sided beast but Rodney wrote quite encouragingly about it at the time.

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Postby jefran » Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:44 pm

There is always the Greenly Fairlie; I have seen a schematic for a 15in one (possibly for the R&ER) but I can't remember where! As I recall it was a 2-6-4 or 2-8-4, with the pivot on the power bogie quite far forward, and the driver sat over the non-powered one
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Postby Adam Roper » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:43 pm

jefran wrote:There is always the Greenly Fairlie; I have seen a schematic for a 15in one (possibly for the R&ER) but I can't remember where! As I recall it was a 2-6-4 or 2-8-4, with the pivot on the power bogie quite far forward, and the driver sat over the non-powered one

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Re: 15 / 18 inch Fairlie

Postby smr779 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:13 pm

A bit late, I guess, but a future project of mine (having completed the single mentioned above) is to build a minimal double fairlie for 7.25" gauge. It will look like a fairlie, have two separately controllable power bogies and two chimneys that make a noise. The one thing it won't have (to make it practical) is a full length boiler, making it technically a kitson-meyer.
Thus far, I have built the bogie frames and boiler cradle.
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Re: 15 / 18 inch Fairlie

Postby CanveyRay » Thu May 03, 2018 7:15 pm

Hi,
Peter Beevers, of Peter Beevers Engineering has built a single fairlie in 7.25", if that of any interest? It runs regularly at Swanley Park in Kent.
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