Sleeper spacing - centres or between sleepers ?

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Re: Sleeper spacing - centres or between sleepers ?

Postby tebee » Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:06 pm

here is my new test track with wider sleepers

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Not sure which I prefer, I might have to try one half way between the 2

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Postby docnjoj » Sun Dec 21, 2014 4:35 pm

I see you are using blue foam insulation for your base. did that foam come with a clear film of plastic wrap, and if it did, were you able to peel it off. The only foam I can get around here is the Dowboard with the film on it.
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Re: Sleeper spacing - centres or between sleepers ?

Postby TPP » Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:06 pm

I like those Tom - what are the dimensions of the sleepers ?

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Re: Sleeper spacing - centres or between sleepers ?

Postby TPP » Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:07 pm

I tried mocking something up using Peco code 100 rail and some styrene but the rail looked too light

This is my latest attempt - Peco code 143 on 2mm styrene sleepers and spikes made from layers of styrene strip - the figure is 1/22.5 scale

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For your amusement only here are my track gauges ...

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Postby TPP » Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:12 pm

Detail ...

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Postby Chris18 » Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:15 pm

Looks very nice.
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Re: Sleeper spacing - centres or between sleepers ?

Postby tebee » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:41 pm

TPP wrote:I like those Tom - what are the dimensions of the sleepers ?


Sleepers where a bit wider than I planned at about 13mm. 40mm long 3.5mm deep and approx 28mm spacing. Cut them from a 4x2 !



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Postby TPP » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:50 pm

Ingenious - no expensive bass wood there

Mine are 10mm x 42mm

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Re: Sleeper spacing - centres or between sleepers ?

Postby tebee » Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:50 pm

I like making as much as I can from basic materials because

a) I'm a cheapskate - I always get a kick out of knowing I've managed to produce something cheaply.

b) I like making things from basic materials - it feels like you have achieved more afterwards.

c) It's more individualistic - I've not built the same kit 80 other people have. In this case I can introduce a little variance into the size of the sleepers by simply being lazy and not cutting too accurately, so my track is slightly random and not like anyone else's track.

Sadly (b) is getting harder for me, my eyesights never been good, but as I get older I'm having a harder time seeing the markings on my rulers and cutting things to the right length and square My recent models have been less and less straight!

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Re: Sleeper spacing - centres or between sleepers ?

Postby rue_d_etropal » Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:58 am

Not sure if this will work, as it might not be strong enough to hold rail, but based on dimensions suggested above here is a 3d printed 90deg curve 10cm radius.
https://www.shapeways.com/model/2985790/p-165-gn15-long-curve-100r-100-1a.html
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Re: Sleeper spacing - centres or between sleepers ?

Postby Carlo » Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:23 pm

With all due respect, all the ties pictured in this thread are waaaay too wide.
I have never seen any prototype track with ties this wide.
Narrower ties will make the track look much better, IMHO.
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Re: Sleeper spacing - centres or between sleepers ?

Postby Bilco » Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:28 pm

The sleepers that tebee has been showing aren't all that different from those on the Blenheim Park Railway, a 15" railway about half a mile from where I live:


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I've tried to reproduce the size and spacing on Watts' ...

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Re: Sleeper spacing - centres or between sleepers ?

Postby rue_d_etropal » Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:46 pm

the photo of the point shows both original and new sleepers, quite a contrast.
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Re: Sleeper spacing - centres or between sleepers ?

Postby Bilco » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:32 pm

I believe that Keef prefabricated the points, welding the rails to enough Jubilee sleepers to hold things together, then laid it on wooden sleepers on site. That's what I tried to represent on the points on Watts'!
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Re: Sleeper spacing - centres or between sleepers ?

Postby Steve Holland » Sun Dec 28, 2014 9:37 pm

I took these photos on the 15 inch gauge Rhiw Valley Light Railway. The sleepers look to be about 30 inches long by 6 inches wide and 4 inches deep on a 2ft spacing, with 16 pound/yard rail but that is a guesstimate from the photos. I was too busy enjoying the trains and excellent refreshments to measure the track :D

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Re: Sleeper spacing - centres or between sleepers ?

Postby docnjoj » Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:36 pm

rue_d_etropal wrote:Not sure if this will work, as it might not be strong enough to hold rail, but based on dimensions suggested above here is a 3d printed 90deg curve 10cm radius.
https://www.shapeways.com/model/2985790/p-165-gn15-long-curve-100r-100-1a.html

It looks like you need two of the sections for 90 degrees and 4 for 180 degrees. Is this correct?
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Re: Sleeper spacing - centres or between sleepers ?

Postby rue_d_etropal » Thu Jan 15, 2015 6:45 pm

curve is more 90deg so 4 needed for complete circle.
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Re: Sleeper spacing - centres or between sleepers ?

Postby docnjoj » Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:52 pm

rue_d_etropal wrote:curve is more 90deg so 4 needed for complete circle.


That is great. I plan to use those curves for my current project which has 2 reverse loops and no track electrics, just the powered R/C locos. I'm attempting to upload a video of part now.
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