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Narrow Gauge North cancelled!!!!!

Postby rue_d_etropal » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:04 am

Sad news for us narrow gauge fans up north is the news that NGN has been cancelled next year. From info coming out, it looks like something changed at school, and it was too much trouble for those now working at the school.
We had a similar attitude with our local exhibition. Some at the school thought it easier to run a school disco to raise funds than supply catering for a model railway exhibition, and make money for the school.
What annoys me is that these schools get a lot of money for new facilities, but when someone else wants to use those facilities, and even pay for them, they are not interested. We have several schools in the area, and some are getting nice new sports facilities including swimming pools. That is public money, our money.
Back on track, NGN was extremely well attended this year, but I think it did need a bit of a rethink, so a new location is not a bad thing. I stirred it by saying it could be held this side of Pennines. My point being that it is NG North , not NG Yorkshire, and we should be working together to help our part of the hobby.
When I was at Apedale in September, there were visitors from all over Britain. I think there is potential for more either there or in the area, but not sure if it would qualify as 'North' for some.
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Postby MickT » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:53 am

That suggestion is fine as far as it goes, but who is going to organise it? The current organising team (volunteer, unpaid) all live in or near the location and I cannot imagine any of them being prepared to start effectively from scratch 40 or more miles from home territory in addition to the many hundreds of hours of work they already put in to hold the show.

I believe from reading your other thread elesewhere that only one person made any territorial inference and that was not actually stated, it was yourself that interpreted it as a claim that it is NG Yorkshire. The other 2 majore NG specialist modelling shows (ExpoNG excepted) NG South is held near Winchester in Hants, and NGSW at Shepton Mallet in Somerset for the simple reason that the organisers live in or near those places, nobody has ever claimed them to be NG exclusively Wessex NG Modellers or NG exclusively Small & Delightful Group however.

If you think NG North would benefit from being moved over the pennines, then I don't think anyone would object, particularly if it was part of a plan to keep this major event alive, but first people who are prepared to organise it and run it and second a suitable location all need to be found.

Sorry I can't put my own hat in the ring as I live 300 miles away.

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:21 pm

It is surprising how far some of those involved in clubs and exhibitions up North will travel. I know of a couple of 'big' clubs which are not actually that big and depend on members across the border.
People up here seem to happily travel 40 years if the need to. Not much different to travelling into central London from Hampshire or even Surrey. I know because I have done it with other volunteer activities.

One of the big partners in NGN is the OO9 society, and I know the North West area group(s) actually have a lot of members. I have exhibited at one of their small shows in the past.

I wasn't trying to be negative but actually help. its just that I know this area better, and have experience something similar to what has happened. It would not be the first time a new venue has had to be found at short notice.

I have huge admiration for those who organised exhibitions, but think it should be left to those who can , and I prefer to help the hobby by taking my odd layouts to exhibitions.

More narrow gauge at all exhibitions would be a good thing, it should not have to be specialist shows. It would probably up the numbers trying different scale/gauges such as Gn15, and this forum.
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Postby tebee » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:01 pm

I'm sure there used to be a Narrow gauge North-West too ?

I seem to remember going to one in Canterbury hall (?) in Preston on the A6 just outside the city centre.

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Postby rue_d_etropal » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:11 pm

Must be before my time. It would nor surprise me as the OO9 society are very active in the north west.
I think there are a lot of upset people, which is causing unhelpful comments elsewhere.
Live steam is probably the stumbling block, as so many H/S rules to comply with. Again that is speculation, but the announcement did not give a complete story.
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Postby MickT » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:01 am

Further to suggestions and speculation, if you check out the NG North topic on NGRM-Online, Stan Williams of the Merseyside and SW Lancs 009 Society Group has made an announcement that his own team for the multi-scale NG event that is being organised at Rainford, Merseyside on 18 April 2015 that is also hosting the 009 Society AGM, are trying to extend the number of rooms available in order to be able to invite at least some of the layouts that were previously confirmed for NG North in March.

This is a postitive and helpful move for which Stan and Roger Christian plus other friends in that area who are involved with the Rainford event are to be congratulated and encouraged.

Tom - your memory is absolutely correct! There did used to be a NG Northwest held in Preston (Wasn't it called Purely Narrow Gauge or am I mixing the name up in my dotage with another event?). I do remember attending sometime in the 1980's (I think) and was where I first met up with the late Dave Scott and his Chelthwaite & Beccadale layout which is now in safe hands in the north west and under long term restoration. The North West Group of the 009 Society do indeed still exist, but are not as active nowadays although they do still have a hard core of enthusiastic and skilled NG modellers.


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Postby rue_d_etropal » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:03 am

A glimmer of hope. As I said the NW group is pretty well supported, and I am never certain which group I'm chatting to at exhibitions as they all seem to help each other.
There was a TV program a while back talking about the concept of a new 2nd British city, and the idea of a linear city between Liverpool/Manchester and Leeds was a very strong contenter, with Hebden Bridge as its centre point. In effect an inverse city with countryside in the middle. Many people actually commute from the centre to the outside, in both directions, and the idea of a linear city is not new as apparently Los Angeles is an example.
Despite the banter between Lancashire/Yorkshire, people up here actually work very well together. It is more likely local politicians stirring it up for their own benefit. My wife won't allow me to have any Tour de yorkshire/France items in the house though, and the T shirt my daughter bought me has been exiled to France :shock: . Would not have been so bad if the Yorkshire part was on the back not the front as it could have been covered up. :roll:


I remember something called 'Purely Narrow Gauge' but not sure it was up here. I did exhibit over in Porthmadoc only a few years ago, and that was using a similar title. It was only narrow gauge anyway. If it had been in Preston it must have been early as I moved up here in 88, and only made a few family trips up north before that dating back to 83.
Hopefully the OO9 event could be a springboard for a new event in NW, even if it has to be part of a bigger show (Manchester?). Christopher Payne has proved this concept works well, and I think it was popular at the York exhibition.
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Postby steerngo » Thu Dec 04, 2014 5:29 pm

I remember going to'Purely Narrow Gauge' show in Liverpool, but I think it moved to Shrewsbury and I think it died then for some reason.

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Re: Narrow Gauge North cancelled!!!!!

Postby Geeky Gecko » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:47 pm

Sad news. One of the shows I attend(ed) regularly.
It appears the Narrow Gauge North website has gone. Any links for it seem to take you to the facebook page.
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Re: Narrow Gauge North cancelled!!!!!

Postby rue_d_etropal » Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:00 am

there is a message on the Facebook page to say there is a problem with main website, so maybe it will be back soon.
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