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Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Bilco » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:19 pm

​Estate Elongate, aka the Berger Hall Miniature Railway, is in an exhibitable state now, and I seem to have lots of time at home for some reason, so I've been casting about for some modelling activity to keep me amused. I expect I'll play with a few things that have caught my interest for one reason or other ...

Today the postie delivered a mysterious parcel, which proved to contain a Smallbrook Studios Katie kit, plus an extra body casting, and a Hornby 08 mechanism. I know I said I wouldn't make any more Katies after Lady Frideswide was finished, but I'm a sucker for punishment ...


Talking of Lady Frideswide, I extended the Smallbrook body with a lashed-up bodgement of L sections, plasticard and a bit of a plastic cotton reel -

http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?f= ... t+and+shut

This time I'll try cutting and shutting the two bodies - what could possibly go wrong?


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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Remote1 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:37 am

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I don't think anything you do comes under the description of "bodging".

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Bilco » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:35 pm

You're very kind Steve, it just goes to show that paint and filler can hide a mutitude of bodging ...
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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Bilco » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:11 pm

The poor, brutalized remains of the two bodies after my rough (very rough) sanding down of the tank sides ...

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...but worse is to come - I now have to decide exactly where to hack into each one to end up with the required length when the relevant bits are joined up ...

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Steve Holland » Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:59 pm

You could always just nail them together like that and have a Heywood Fairlie :roll:

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby nu2ng » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:58 am

I like that idea of a Heywood Fairlie Steve :)
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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Bilco » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:40 pm

A Heylie? Or a Fairwood?
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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Bilco » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:22 pm

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Right, major surgery over, the blood's been rinsed off the floor and walls, and I seem to have roughly the same number of fingers I started with ...

It hasn't turned out quite as I had envisaged, but I followed the old engineer's maxim of 'Measure once, cut twice', so it must be OK ...

I played around with the left over bits, and I can probably bodge them into something vaguely believable, once I've finished the Heywood loco - with lots of fiddling and fettling...

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The accuracy of my sawing doesn't seem to have improved since the last time ...

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Bilco » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:40 pm

Yesterday evening I stopped messing around and glued the two parts of the Ursula-like bodywork together. I drilled holes in the ends of the two pieces to take short lengths of 2mm metal rod, applied copious amounts of Araldite, and pushed the parts into close proximity ...

After a few minutes I realised that the boiler wasn't straight, so some small adjustment was needed - requiring a certain amount of force, as the Araldite was hardening rapidly (is that why it says RAPID on the box?) ...

Today I spent much of the afternoon sanding the sides of the body down to remove the results of my rough sanding of yesterday, and making everything square. The Araldite seems to have done a good job, as it withstood my hamfisted handling ...

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Next job is to sheet over the sides to hide the joins and restore the width after my frenzied sanding took off so much ...

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Bilco » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:26 pm

A little more progress to report ...

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The body sides have been clad in 1mm sheet to replace what was so frenziedly sanded off a few days ago. Now I need to overlay this cladding with some more 1mm sheet with the upstands - but I've run out, and am waiting on Eileen's Emproium to supply some more ...

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... and a view of the horrors underneath the body - the least said the better ...

I've also been working on the footplate - nothing new here, just the cutting and sticking as practised on the 'Just a Simple Cut-and-Shut?' thread
http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?f= ... 3F#p125087

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A rather awkward view, but it shows the built-up buffer beams, with 0.20mm cladding (still to be profiled), the 0.75 top plating, and the lengths of flat-bottom rail used to reinforce the whole thing. Fortunately, this was an early kit, and the footplate doesn't have the brass rod reinforcement built into the resin ...

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... and a view of the underside, showing the extension pieces, and the marked out opening for the 08 mech that I need to cut in the top plating. I've also stuck on the little bits of L section to the bases for the cylinders, as per Kaffie, Ambrosia and Lady Frideswide.

So, there's more sanding and fettling to be done on these two pieces before they are glued together, but things are heading that way, slowly ...

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Bilco » Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:09 pm

While I was waiting for the delivery of 1mm styrene sheet I turned my attention to the Hornby 08 diesel loco that was included in that mystery package.

After a bit of fiddling I discovered how to get the body off, then undid a few screws and voila ...

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What I thought was a keeper plate turned out to be a plastic moulding for the ends of the chassis and a holder for the wire pickups. It's rather distorted, so I made a shorter new one from styrene sheet - on the left of the photo, with the modified Smokey Joe connecting rods that will be added in due course ...

The metal chassis block is a bit shorter than the footplate, so a rather unlovely collection of bits of 2mm and 3mm styrene has accumulated on the underside of said footplate to locate the chassis and set the height. A bit of styrene has been added to the front of the chassis block to get it to sit level ...

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... as this photo hopefully demonstrates. Fortuitously, the height of the footplate is exactly the same as that on Lady Frideswide - might have been planned ...

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The postie delivered the expected package from Eileen's Emporium today, so I now have the 1mm sheet to get on with the bodywork ...

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Bilco » Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:13 pm

With the 1mm styrene sheet in hand I quickly cut out the sheeting for the sides of the body (not forgetting to include the cab sides) and glued them onto the body ...

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Not quite so quickly, I cut two little bits to make the upstands on the front of the tanks, and when the sides were dry, stuck the bits on ...

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A little bit of Liquid Green Stuff filler and that's another job jobbed ...

Now to put the beading round the top of the upstands ...

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby lesmond » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:44 pm

Looking good, Bill.

I'll be interested to see how you go about the beading. I've not tried that yet.

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Bilco » Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:22 pm

Right, here you go Les ...

I make the beading from 0.8mm x 1.5mm styrene strip - the upstands are 1mm, so there is a little overhang on the outside ...

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... ready for action. The little bottle contains Plastic Weld. First up, I round one edge, which will go on the outside underside of the beading. You can round off the strip once its stuck down, but you run the risk of scratching the bodywork ...

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I start on the short edge, as it's easier of bend over the top. In this case, although I've pre-bent the strip it wasn't bent enough, and the strip broke. Cue shouting ...

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... so I pre-bent around a much smaller radius, which worked. The sharp-eyed will notice that I've finished one side, and this bit of strip is for the other side ...

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The high-tech holding device to hold the strip around the curve until the Plastic Weld dries. I just hold the strip in place and run the PW along the join, so capilliary action takes it under the strip. Any little adjustments can be done as the PW dries ...

Once the long strips are stuck and dry I slice the front ends at 45 degrees, and make a couple of short pieces of strip to do the front of the upstands, with a 45 degree at one end and a chamfer at the other to fit against the boiler ...

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The 2 short lengths in place, and gratifyingly level ...

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And the overall effect. Once the whole thing is dry I round off the top edges a little with an emery board, clean up any squeezed-out bits, and give the whole thing a rub with fine emery paper ...

And that's all there is to it ...

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby lesmond » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:41 pm

Thank you for the comprehensive description Bill.

I've a couple of stalled jobs which I can practice this on :)

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Bilco » Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:28 pm

Onwards and upwards - I filled in the wheels. The main filling was Milliput, with Liquid Green Stuff to level the surface, hence the rather piebald effect ...

Then I put the footplate on to the chassis and checked it against Lady Frideswide. That showed that the front of the footplate was 1mm low, so a small piece of 1mm styrene later ...

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It's starting to look a bit like the intended item now ...

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... however, the underside isn't a pretty sight ...

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Nothing a dollop of Liquid Green Stuff and copious amounts of black paint won't fix. The shiney bit of N/S strip on the right is Araldited to the chassis block and will be held down with a screw. Another piece of N/S strip will be screwed into the footplate, bearing on the underside of the chassis block, where the brass strip cross-member for the cylinders will be screwed on ...

What could possibly go wrong ...?

Now I'm making all the little bits of N/S strip that make up the valve gear linkage - lots of fiddly work with not much to show ...

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Bilco » Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:21 pm

Progress continues, albeit slowly. There are lots of little 'bits' to fettle and fabricate ...

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Still, at some stage comparatively soon all this might get assembled into something vaguely resembling a Heywood Ursula ...

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby ian holmes » Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:46 pm

Certainly looking the part, that’s for sure. Nice job.

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby chris stockdale » Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:14 am

Awesome!

I'm all too aware that lots of little bits wouldn't fit or work if I was to try the same sort of thing. I doff my cap to you.

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Bilco » Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:20 pm

Another week, a few more little fiddly bits to show ...

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... and some of the earlier ones have been stuck together in a vaguely Heywood-Ursula-ish way ...

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... and a bottom view ...

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I told you that lots of black paint would hide a multitude of bodgements ...

I do seem to be running out of fiddly little bits to make. Could it be that the end is in sight - if you have a powerful pair of binoculars ...?

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Bilco » Sat May 02, 2020 7:07 pm

Right, one final little fiddly bit ...

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... fitted into place ...

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... (damned auto-focus focussing on the wrong thing) ... and the job's done ...

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... in fetching shades of primer ...

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... with the bits just propped in place, ready for the paintshop ...

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... but some not securely propped enough ...

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... and a final look at her underpinnings ...

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I was interested to note that I hadn't forgotten all the mistakes I had made with the previous 4 'Katie' kits, and was able to make them all again perfectly. I also remembered why I had said, when 'Lady Frideswide' was finished, that I didn't want to assemble any more 'Katie' kits. Now I really, really don't want to make any more, no nay never, no more ...

It was hours of fun ...

... but I don't want to do it again ...
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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby backwaterscotland » Sun May 03, 2020 6:42 am

Impressive work Bill. I rather like it in "works" grey.

The question is - will it make it round the curves on Berger Hall?

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby MickT » Sun May 03, 2020 8:37 am

Aw, come on Bill, there's still a Muriel clone waiting in the wings of inspiration!.......................

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby ian holmes » Mon May 04, 2020 2:40 am

Superb.
I have to agree with MickT though. You can’t come all this way and not produce a model of Muriel

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Re: Bilco's Bodgements #1

Postby Bilco » Mon May 04, 2020 7:44 am

ian holmes wrote:I have to agree with MickT though. You can’t come all this way and not produce a model of Muriel

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