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michael · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:08 am Post subject: 2007 model challenge

Happy new year every one, Here is the challenge for the coming year.

2007 model challenge
Build a layout using paper products for baseboard and buildings

[1] Maximum area of model 576 square inches.(as per Carl's definition of a micro layout)

[2] Max length including any fiddle area or hidden trackage for the 576 square inches of layout. The layout can be no longer than 72" in other words the longest section is 72" This would allow a layout to be 72" x8" or 48"x 12" or 36"x 16" or 48" x 6" by 48" x 6 7/8ths". and all the other combinations within that parameter. The other parameter would be no more than 48" x 48" in total floor or tabletop area. This gives a lot of flexibility.

[3] Layout doesn't have to operate (how would you Gnow anyhow).

[4] finishing layout detail items can be of builder's choice.

[5] open to all Gn15 forum members including the 09 and Gnine sections.

[6] deadline for photo submissions dec 15 2007

The first second and third prizes will be determined again by veiwer submissions.

Prizes

1st prize Locomotive from Macton locomotive Works

2nd prize Choice of locomotive kit from Steve Bennett

3rd Prize coach from Jim Snee.
Again I will not be submitting an entry to the challenge but will hopefully contribute to the process by sharing some of my work and ideas.

I hope that this will induce some fun and provide a great set of layouts to enjoy next christmas.

Please don't be shy about sharing your progress thoughout the year.

Kindest regards Michael
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Gavin Sowry · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:51 am Post subject:

How thick is paper, before it is defined as card, or is card included as a paper product? Question

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DCRfan · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:29 am Post subject:

And whats all this inches stuff, don't you know the majority of the world use metric Laughing

A layout 216 barley corns long Question

(An inch is the length of three dry, round barley corns laid end to end, by pronouncement of King Edward II)

Paul in the metric world

michael · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:30 am Post subject:

A paper product that that is at least three sheets to the wind could be considered card Twisted Evil

Michael
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michael · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:38 am Post subject:

DCRfan · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:36 am Post subject:

kweitzel · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:46 am Post subject:

Hmmm ... if I'd have known this before, my Dad wouldn't have gotten the start of a Diorama for Christmas ...

But ... anyway, It's not a railway based diorama ... check it out in my blog ... Wink

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AndyA · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:50 am Post subject:

That's a neat idea.

It does resolve one conflict for me over the coming year: although we're using card for the baseboards and building shells for Breakwater Point (of which more elsewhere), the building designs revolve around wood (coffee stirer) cladding, so on or about December 1 2007 I frantically start building the Flemish Twig, using all the lessons learned during the year. This will be submitted unfinished and lead to major surgery on the also-still-unfinished Breakwater Point (more on this elsewhere) Smile

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Nice one, Michael.

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learningtobelost2 · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject:

Ok, pending an 'offical' stance on what "paper products" actually covers count me in Wink

Does the term paper products encompass cardboard if not at what thickness does paper count as card?
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Steve Bennett · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject:

John · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject:

Great idea Michael, now I gnow what to do with some of the chirstmas cardboard I haven't taken to the recycle!

Peter · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject:

Micheal, is paper mache an allowable building material for the building?
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Gerry Bullock · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject:

Catweasel · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 3:21 pm Post subject: Eco layout

Surley by extension,ply will count wouldn't it? It is,after all,merely unprocessed paper.
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michael · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject:

Some clarification
measuring system.....if you want to use broken watch straps go for it I prefer sticks with scratches an consistent intervals.

structural materials

Cardboard .............in Smile

paper mache...........in Smile

tissue paper ..........in Smile

crepe paper ..........in Smile

cereal boxes .........in Smile

card packaging ......in Smile

crumpled computer paper exams ...in Shocked

corrugated card .....in Smile

expensive velum writing paper..... in Cool

card playing cards ......in (just make sure they don't tumble) Rolling Eyes

plys of card ......in Smile

dress up materials added as decore to outsides of base and models
anything........in Smile

prohibited sctuctural materials

anything that is not a paper/card product. Crying or Very sad

Michael
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ian holmes · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject:

This is so tempting...
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michael · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject:

Ian you are half way there Exclamation

You can do it Smile

plus it will become a great excuse ("well dear........ I have to get it finished by dec 15 2007"........."Oh ok then")

Laughing

regards Michael
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ian holmes · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject:

At least I don't have to build a paper locomotive and rolling stock.
Do I?...

Ian
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michael · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject:

Absolutely not Exclamation

They would not be considered structural, those are the essential accessories. Smile

if tey actually move all the better Twisted Evil

Michael
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twofoot · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject: I'm in

Ok, count me in.

Now is "baseboard" the same as frame? I would use pink foam or the like for my layout frame.

The UK and US are two peoples separated by a common language. Wink

Chris

Steve Bennett · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:57 pm Post subject:

I suppose before Jim or Christoph start trying to electrify paper trackwork Smile

, we had better say that the track doesnt have to be paper Smile

, though I'm sure one of them will try Smile

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Peter · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 5:59 pm Post subject:

KEG · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject:

Hi,

could you please give the dimensions for the German participants in our local measurements. For those of us, which are not familiar with millimeters, meters and Zolls (inches)

I´d prefer the Prussian Foot (31,385 cm). I really wonder, how they ever got the early English made locos on Bavarian or Saxon tracks.

Can I use up my old Egyptian papyros with the hyroglyphs on them for the challenge? Can´t read a word of it anyway.

Have Fun

Juergen Zirner

michael · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject:

Someone told me there would be a lot of clarfication type questions at the start Exclamation

Peter is correct baseboard and frame would be considered the same thing.
rigid polyurethane foam or any of the expanded foams would not be considered a card/paper product.

A couple of layers of corrugated card would be much stronger than foam in my opinion and a coat of shellac or paint would gaurd against moisture.

Frame or baseboard are the supporting structure and must be made of some form of paper/card combination to qualify.

decoration on top of the frame or baseboard can be any material as long as it is an add on to a sub structure of paper /card.
Steve is correct that the operational side of the layout would be the normal items of track and rolling stock. If one wanted to build everything out of paper/card that is your choice, I would think it would make the challenge that more challenging, but certainly not necessary.

regards Michael
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Steve Bennett · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: