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DCRfan Millegniumer Old Timer Author

  
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:57 am Post subject: Pauls Card Challenge Layout |
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This thread based on a good idea from Andrew will show the progress on my attempt at the 2007 Cardboard Challenge (see http://forum.gn15.info/viewtopic.php?t=2021&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 )
Just assembled the 'bridge' although it is probably not truely a bridge as it has no structure just piles under the sleepers. I pre-bent the rail then roughly assembed the rails with a few copperclad sleepers before super gluing the wooden sleepers in place. Once they were dry I put trackpins in all the sleepers in pre-drilled holes then snipped off the ends of the pins protruding throught the bottom of the sleepers. All the copperclad sleepers were then removed except one at each end (just in case)
Now to make 28 identical length piles
I can see the rivet counters commenting on my poor engineering so I'll have to keep a copy of the prototype 'bridge' picture handy  _________________ Paul
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DCRfan Millegniumer Old Timer Author

  
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Did I ever get it wrong
I measured the bottom rail height above the water level, set up a jig and cut all the piles then glued them on to the bottom of the sleepers. Only then did I realise I had not subtracted the sleeper depth so all the piles are 3.4mm too long. Anyway the bridge does not look spindley enough so probably every second set of sleepers/piles will have to go  _________________ Paul
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DCRfan Millegniumer Old Timer Author

  
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: |
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I thought I'm not going to bed until it's corrected and it was painless but I've re-re-learnt the old addage measure twice cut once
 _________________ Paul
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Hudson Hunslet True GnATTERbox Old Timer

 
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Hi DCRfan, the bridge looks good and the trees too. How have you made them?
Best wishes
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Steve Bennett Multi-Millegniumer Old Timer Author Friend of Gn15.info

   
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| DCRfan wrote: | I thought I'm not going to bed until it's corrected and it was painless but I've re-re-learnt the old addage measure twice cut once |
But will you remember next time I know I never do
In this case though Paul, it worked out well, the extra spacing between the supports, looks a lot better and closer to the prototype picture. I like it a lot more as you have it now, if you had cut the piles the right length to start with, you might have stuck it straight down and regretted it later Always look for a positive  _________________ Steve Bennett
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More_Cats_Than_Sense Millegniumer Old Timer Friend of Gn15.info

  
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Looks terrific  _________________ Barry Weston
If at first you don't succeed, use a bigger hammer.
The only thing that keeps me sane, is the friendship I share with my collection of singing potatoes....
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Paul
That is what I have been doing wrong all these years, measuring once and cutting twice
Measure twice cut once........... measure twice cut once.......... :
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MOG Demi-Millegniumer Old Timer Friend of Gn15.info

  
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More_Cats_Than_Sense Millegniumer Old Timer Friend of Gn15.info

  
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Rockley Bottom wrote: | Paul
That is what I have been doing wrong all these years, measuring once and cutting twice
Measure twice cut once........... measure twice cut once.......... :
Ralph |
My variation of that saying is "Measure twice, cut once, let a bit in!"
 _________________ Barry Weston
If at first you don't succeed, use a bigger hammer.
The only thing that keeps me sane, is the friendship I share with my collection of singing potatoes....
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DCRfan Millegniumer Old Timer Author

  
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| Hudson Hunslet wrote: | Hi DCRfan, the bridge looks good and the trees too. How have you made them?
Best wishes, Andy |
I can only say 'see the next Tome'  _________________ Paul
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Gerry Bullock Millegniumer Old Timer Author Friend of Gn15.info

   
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Extra length twixt piles certainly makes the track over water/swamp look more realistic. Await with interest future developments. _________________ So little time, so many ideas!!!!! GerryB.
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DCRfan Millegniumer Old Timer Author

  
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| Gerry Bullock wrote: | | Extra length twixt piles certainly makes the track over water/swamp look more realistic. Await with interest future developments. |
As long as its not the splash as the loco aka Bluebottle, falls into the water  _________________ Paul
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Andrew Milner Demi-Millegniumer Old Timer Friend of Gn15.info

  
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Loking good Paul, much better with fewer piles (aren't we all ). Wish I'd put a bridge on mine now......hang on, it's only card...  _________________ Andrew Milner, still trying to figure it out.... |
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DCRfan Millegniumer Old Timer Author

  
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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A facia, cardboard naturally, has been hot glued to the edge of the baseboard and the first layer of epoxy water added to the swamp. The picture shows the bridge strength test by my 'GT-2' Gutertriebwagen
 _________________ Paul
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Steve Bennett Multi-Millegniumer Old Timer Author Friend of Gn15.info

   
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Oooh, I like that, the water is looking great already Paul. _________________ Steve Bennett
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Korschtal Demi-Millegniumer Old Timer

 
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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I like the wagon ( ) on top. Is that part of the secret or can we know what it is? _________________ Andy in Stuttgart
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DCRfan Millegniumer Old Timer Author

  
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| Korschtal wrote: | I like the wagon ( ) on top. Is that part of the secret or can we know what it is? |
No secret. This was one on the first Gn15 models I built using a cheap Lifelike chassis so only one bogie is powered.
It is based on a Diema GT-5 shown on this link
http://www.feldbahnmuseum.de/component/option,com_ponygallery/Itemid,28/func,detail/id,25/
A member of the museum staff very kindly sent me about 20 pictures. I down sized it to 15 inch gauge. A GT-5 carries 5 cubic metres so I calculated the 381mm gauge version is a GT-2 Yes carries only 2 cubic metres
I now have a folder full of info on these machines including plans of GT-15 which has the cab in the centre between the hoppers. I have a drawing of my GT-2 if your interested. _________________ Paul
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Korschtal Demi-Millegniumer Old Timer

 
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately I don't think it'd fit too well with my layout theme I was just fascinated by the shape and way it worked. Narrow Gauge obviously got hold of the freight multiple unit idea long before standard...
I've also not come across lifelike chassis. WHere are they made? _________________ Andy in Stuttgart
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DCRfan Millegniumer Old Timer Author

  
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| Korschtal wrote: | Unfortunately I don't think it'd fit too well with my layout theme I was just fascinated by the shape and way it worked. Narrow Gauge obviously got hold of the freight multiple unit idea long before standard...
I've also not come across lifelike chassis. WHere are they made? |
They are not really freight carriers. The Diema GT series have a pair of side tipping hoppers. Many were automatic with no driver. They were worked by switches projecting from the side of the chassis contacting trackside frames which caused the machine to stop and tip or to just stop at the other end of the line until someone pushed the go button again.
Like many toy trains Lifelike are made in China but I believe marketed out of the US. _________________ Paul
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Albert True GnATTERbox Old Timer
 
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| More_Cats_Than_Sense wrote: | | Rockley Bottom wrote: | Paul
That is what I have been doing wrong all these years, measuring once and cutting twice
Measure twice cut once........... measure twice cut once.......... :
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My variation of that saying is "Measure twice, cut once, let a bit in!"
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In Holland we say : "I cut off a piece twice but its still to short ..........."
Anyway, there are things you can't measure.......it's called art.
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Korschtal Demi-Millegniumer Old Timer

 
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Albert wrote: |
Anyway, there are things you can't measure.......it's called art.
Albert |
I'll remember that! _________________ Andy in Stuttgart
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Gerry Bullock Millegniumer Old Timer Author Friend of Gn15.info

   
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michael Millegniumer Old Timer Author

  
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Gerry that is ugly in my opinion but brilliant from a practical design point of view , because the books dont flop over and are always leaning against one side or 'tuther.  _________________ Regards Michael
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Hudson Hunslet True GnATTERbox Old Timer

 
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Hudson Hunslet True GnATTERbox Old Timer

 
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Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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According to the comments on the Diema-Kipper, i`ll show you a pdf-File of another Diema Kipper which is hydraulycal opperated. It is located at the Frankfurt Feldbahnmuseum and should be very unique.
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