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APA'n I've got an idea

Postby ian holmes » Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:41 am

While messing around with the APA box from Ikea I threw some of my Gnine bits and pieces in there
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(Long time members of the group might get all teary eyed at the sight of something in the picture - Yes I still have it and it still runs)
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Left hand side of the box
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Right hand side.
What is it? I don't know. But at least a quite interesting Gnine layout might fit in there

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Postby Steve Bennett » Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:54 am

Looks like you almost got an inglenook layout there Ian, certainly has potential, though I think you might struggle to fit the tunnel entrance to the mushroom farm in there :lol:

Great to see that Puresprings is still around. you couldnt really get rid of that could you :wink:
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Postby ian holmes » Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:12 pm

The scheme has already met with the approval of SWMBO which is good as she will share operating duties with it.
On reflection the hut is too big. It needs something a tad smaller and I'd consider replacing the brick wall with one of your patent wooden fences Steve.

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Postby Jon Randall » Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:19 pm

Good to see you back into Gnine Ian 8)
I like the size of the hut personally.
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Postby ian holmes » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:11 pm

Jon Randall wrote:Good to see you back into Gnine Ian 8)
I like the size of the hut personally.


I agree with you looking at the pictures Jon but when you see it in 3D it's a different kettle of fish. It eats up a lot of real estate. A bit of a pity as it's a really nice model.

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Postby ian holmes » Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:14 pm

Steve Bennett wrote:I think you might struggle to fit the tunnel entrance to the mushroom farm in there :lol:

Great to see that Puresprings is still around. you couldnt really get rid of that could you :wink:


Ah the tunnel mouth that is as large as the Puresprings layout is... :lol:

Yep I still have PureSpring you lot would kill me if I scrapped it.

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Postby Simon Andrews » Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:52 pm

While messing around with the APA box from Ikea I threw some of my Gnine bits and pieces in there


Don't you just hate it when people do that :twisted: Welcome back Ian :D Time for a Gnine Info update don't you think :wink:

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Postby ian holmes » Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:42 pm

Simon Andrews wrote:
While messing around with the APA box from Ikea I threw some of my Gnine bits and pieces in there


Don't you just hate it when people do that :twisted: Welcome back Ian :D Time for a Gnine Info update don't you think :wink:

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Update?
It would have to be a total re-invention I think :wink:
Its not beyond the bounds of possibility I just need to find some Mac based web design software that I'm comfortable with

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a concept sketch

Postby ian holmes » Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:38 pm

A conceptual sketch for the APA box layout...
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The scene would feature the outside of some kind of light agricultural industry. The entrance to a packing shed for apples for example, mushrooms perhaps (Maybe Apple Valley mushrooms that would kill two birds with one stone and revive the Apple Valley concept after a 10 year hiatus).
I think some kind of mineral mining could be out as the tractive effort of a real 9" gauge loco mightn't be enough to haul more than a couple of loaded wagons. Plus you have the restrictions of the loading gauge.
To the scene itself. There's a double track with a crossover at the rear of the scene so that cabinets could be added to either side with balloon loops on them to that the scene could be operated as a continuous run. If I can come up with a concrete idea for a purpose for the industry then I'd consider making one of the units scenic as well. A simple single siding at the front into the structure would be enough for a loaded wagons in empties out scenario.
If I placed a simple fiddle stick or traverser at the side it could be worked as an inglenook instead. Though at shows continuous run is best.
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Postby demaine22 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:31 am

Hi Ian,

The idea looks good on paper, but it always seems to be an issue finding an industry for Gnine...

If you wanted to do mineral mining, why not a small-scale operation like mining Fluorite... http://www.ukminingventures.com/ ...it's something I thought may be quite believable, and your hut could be where they cut the minerals down, clean them up and ship them out?

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Postby Steve Bennett » Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:45 am

Really like it Ian and if you dont use it, I'm going to steal it :lol:
I do wonder if it could do with a viewblock on the right to hide the exit/entrance :?:
A small scale agricultural theme suits it well and I do like the idea of reviving the Apple Valley name again.
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Postby John New » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:23 am

There's always the genuine minimum gauge lavender farming prototype at Wolds Way. If you want mechanical handling of bulk items a fictitious change to a line handling, spuds, sugar beet, perhaps even tulip bulbs wouldn't be stretching reality very far.

With Wolds Way the prototype has actual view blockers at both ends of the line, the distillery shed at one end and the loading hopper at the other. It has a side branch too for which a hedge would make a suitable stopper.

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Postby Simon Andrews » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:15 pm

If you wanted to do mineral mining, why not a small-scale operation like mining Fluorite... http://www.ukminingventures.com/


Nice link 8) Thanks for posting.


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Postby ian holmes » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:15 pm

The fluorite mining is a neat idea. I like that. Will give it serious consideration.
View block in the R/H side depends on the industry I did knock up a quick sketch of an apple orchard using trees as a view block and with trees on the next cabinet that served to blur the join between the two cabinets which was a not bad idea, but if I did some kind of mine I could exit stage right straight into a mine entrance and have the adjoining unit as underground...
Underground would suit the mushrooms too....
Hmmm.... :wink:

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Postby Steve Bennett » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:05 pm

Yup, a disused mine as a mushroom farm would work and you already have most of the bits you would need :wink:
The flourite crystals could still be incorporated into the story, in that they were found in an old part of the workings. Flourite was often left behind as waste in lead mines prior to it becoming used in steel making, so the backstory is perfectly feasible. Not that we ever worry about that :lol:
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Postby ian holmes » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:31 am

An idea for the mine/mushroom farm end of the layout now.
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The line enters stage left, how that would be hidden kind of depends on how the scenic development in front works out. The line could appear from behind an embankment topped with a weird and wonderful twisted tree. Or a pile of mining equipment and rubbish if I decided to go with a pool in front that mining spoil used to be tipped into as I sort of sketched out. The line then passes some usual mining bits and pieces, hut, compressor, old track sections, etc; before it disappears into the mine the return loop is hidden inside the mine.
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Postby demaine22 » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:25 am

Sounds very promising Ian :)

obviously it fits either of the industries, but a disused mine would have alot of interesting rotting bits and pieces lying around being bodged together for the farmers to use 8)
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Postby Steve Bennett » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:16 am

Like the concept and nice sketch to Ian.
I guess this could also be used as a stand alone module by attaching a cassette or fiddle stick at the left, for a very simple layout, with a train just passing through the scene into the mine.
Not very exciting, but sometimes it's nice just to run a train back and forth a few times :lol:
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Postby michael » Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:58 pm

Yes I had to wipe away a tear or two :wink:

embankment topped with a weird and wonderful twisted tree


And if you did go with the Apples you could also add some coppicing or pollarding to have a side industry making wicker baskets for the apples

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Postby ian holmes » Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:28 pm

Anyhoo: I've been mulling over the handy dandy Gnine scale calculator over at Gnine.info http://gnine.info/pages/intro.html giving some serious consideration to what scale/gauge ratio to use for the model and I'm thinking that I'll probably go for 1/32 scale. It's a bit smaller than the half inch scales so allowing me to squeeze a bit more scenic development and model making into the area., Given the size of even the smallest structures in these scales that is an important consideration (the LNER concrete platelayers hut is about 8' x 6' in 1/2" scale in 1/32 it would be 6 1/4 x 4 3/4 approx. It also makes the track gauge a bit bigger, in the 10 - 12" range. Bigger track gauge, bigger loading gauge, bigger heavier loads could be carried making a mine concept a bit more feasible at 12" gauge rather than 9"
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Postby gfadvance » Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:49 pm

Ian,

been following your thread with interest, only just managed so far not to go to Ikea for one of those storage boxes.

1.32 scale? I have also been playing thinking about this can I suggest that you have a think again and maybe consider instead 1/35 . It is a more difficult conversion factor but think this is completely offset by the vast range of accessories available in this scale .... from buckets, buildings ,vehicles, vegetation and figures etc.

Here are a couple of sites which might be worth having a look at, for a nice selection of civilian figures, etc

http://www.mk35.com/index.php?page=shop ... =1&lang=en

Selection of accessories & vegetation, etc

http://www.fieldsofglorymodels.co.uk/ep ... 481&Page=3

I'll leave it with you :wink:
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Postby ian holmes » Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:42 pm

Neat links Gordon:
1:35 or 1:32? I could go either way yet. I do still have quite a few 1:35 bits myself from other projects.

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Postby ian holmes » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:35 am

So yesterday I glued a piece of 1/2" white insulation foam into the base of the APA box and then surface that with some 1/16" cork It seems to match up with the top of the fram rails quite nicely

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Postby Steve Bennett » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:36 pm

ian holmes wrote:So yesterday I glued a piece of 1/2" white insulation foam into the base of the APA box and then surface that with some 1/16" cork It seems to match up with the top of the fram rails quite nicely


Careful, if you keep adding stuff at this rate it's going to get heavy :lol:
Sounds like to ideal way to build it up to the level of the frame. Should make it a lot easier to get a consistant rail height for joining several together.
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Postby ian holmes » Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:22 pm

What has happened to PECO 009 crazy track? I just googled it to find somewhere to buy it from and no-one online seems to list it any more. Not here in the states anyway.
Must be doing something wrong somewhere...

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